Citizens Liberty Organization / 🌎 Global Channels / 🔫the-armory [part 10]

Bad holsters include: Aliengear Fobus Anything soft nylon Leather under most circumstances. Only okay if you have an external safety or it's a revolver SERPA TRex sidecar Purse carry holsters Anything that goes in your pocket Versacarry Lethal Lace Urban Carry

https://youtu.be/BUvpH1u3c-0

Lol at T-Rex being bad holsters 😂

Single piece hardshell holsters that hold a firearm and a mag suck

The extra stress in the center causes it to crack over time and there's more comfortable yet safe options such as the PHlster Flex

That's opinion.... still won't discharge a round into yourballs after a few sweat cycles

Personally I dont like the sidecar either

But I also don't conceal

*When your giant kydex chastity belt breaks*

open carry is big dumb unless you need it for your job / competition

Lol, okay fudd

Only fudds open carry

😂😂😂

NB4 "you'll be the first target"

Wrong

Good holsters exist now. Kydex AIWB with a wing claw is better.

I'll wait while you find an example of an open carry guy being shot by a robber just for OC'ing.

Good luck

Meanwhile I OC'd in philly for over a decade and have watched thugs turn around and leave 🤷‍♂️

Another reason, funny enough it's easier to get to a properly concealed handgun while in a car than a 3 oclock owb holster

This is something well established within the subcommunity of firearms owners who actually know what they're doing. Open carry is a bad idea

https://www.google.com/search?q=open+carry+robbed

Here's your list

you can spend all day reading it

http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/?s=open+carry

More resources to study

> Single piece hardshell holsters that hold a firearm and a mag suck @Confused trex makes others besides the sidecar. They are as good as tier 1 in every way

Yeah it's just the sidecar

another giant ass list of incidents

https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/friends-dont-let-friends-open-carry

from this article

Really you could spend all day reading the articles referenced in this one

I love the ragnarok and raptor from t rex. I have a tier 1 that is excellent as well but the claw is almost too effective and digs in to the body too much

The ragnarak I would only use for training or if shtf. Conceal is the way to go

I've been considering picking up a safariland als for training later down the road. I've got a carry gun, but I'd like to put a better one together first

Safari land is the shit too

I think Crye has me convinced on a G34

I use my 19 for both at the moment but I have been thinking of picking up a p226 again

Only because the weight wouldn’t be as bad on a war belt or drop holster

I only wear it when I'm out training, but funny enough one of my favorite bits of kit is a cheap set of rothco suspenders

they just clip around your belt and keep your pants from being dragged down when running and crawling with shit hanging off of it. Maybe my body is different, but belts always seemed like they didn't do a good enough job on their own

Pinned a message.

Lol... only fudds discourage OC... and none of those "incidents" are someone being a target. Good thing your shit opinions don't matter.

Sounds like you didn't even read the article

I mean of course you couldn't have, that wasn't enough time to go through the references

Seen it, it's ignorant like your opinions

You have literally nothing to back up your opinion in the face of dozens of references, many of which are from industry professionals.

You don't have a leg to stand on in the face of absolutely overwhelming evidence.

Lmfao... okay fudd

Industry cucks is more like it

Your "references" are literally a bunch of boomer fudd trash whining about people that OC, not any actual dangers like your kind promote.

Concealed laws were just a way to make you hide your guns so they could vilify them to normies.

@Confused that flappy leather holster is literally the one my cousin bought.

Oh gods

I'm so sorry for your loss XD

$1800 on a rifle? 👍 $ for a quality holster? 👎

Anyway, for anyone else who wants to read the roughly 105 references that they obviously didn't read, go ahead. There's hours of material with nearly a hundred individual incidents of open carry getting people hurt, robbed, or killed. Along with articles by people such as navy seals, famous instructors, delta force operatives, and even Varg Freeborn himself.

Good quality kydex holsters tend to run between $70-100+ but there are some exceptions. Even cheap kydex is safer than soft nylon and serpa, and you can get your hands on one for as little as 30-40 bucks

If everyone open carried, then it wouldn't matter. I've never in my life seen someone open carry in Minnesota unless in uniform (cop or security). Not my style, I'd rather them be completely caught off guard before they take the room temperature challenge.

https://www.amazon.com/Violence-Mind-Training-Preparation-Extreme/dp/057820200X/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=violence+of+mind&qid=1592672966&sr=8-1

Fantastic book that everyone should read, which touches on that among other things

Regarding that book crye suggested before. You could prevent a lot of situations by open carrying, but that one guy who decides to shoot you in the back knowing you're armed is another issue.

Dude grew up in the criminal underworld, and has a ton of knowledge to offer

Yeah they don't even have to shoot you. Dozens of incidents where they just take the firearm from the victim's holster, or just rob them at gunpoint because they have their gun out first

Well to be fair the first two things I was taught before the gun even comes up is situational awareness and avoidance

Definitely. They're ambush predators after all.

Lol, okay then, I've had very opposite experiences over 20 years OC.... and again 17 of them in Philadelphia, not the outskirts, in the city, in the hood.

Again,all opinions

Which you're welcome to have

You might like that book

I'm not anti-open carry by the way

Varg grew up in a really crazy environment

I think I've seen that book, again, not discounting the guys experience

But dont discount mine either

If you wanna conceal I dont think there's a problem with that either

Just not my style

What works for some doesn’t work for others. And vice versa

If it works for you personally then good

All that matters

I have a permit, but really only so I can carry my backpack AR

Open carry does have some level of preventative measure to it. I believe that's common sense. The determined BG can plan accordingly having more info at his disposal so to speak. Maybe 9/10 (random made up numbers) baddies see that info and decide it's not worth it. That 1/10 sees that and adjusts their plan to adapt to the info they have (this potential victim is armed and I see where the gun is). Idk if I'm wording this well at all.

Haha I love that

You worded it fine captain

I personally like having others open carry

Makes me less of a target

😂

So I appreciate you sir

If you think you're a target because you OC you're probably a pussy and dont understand what weapon retention is either.

Even with a holster that has proper retention such as a safariland ALS, there's countless instances of people having handguns stolen from them. Thieves are ambush predators, all they have to do is pull their weapon first. You can either give them what they want, or reach for your gun and immediately get shot.

I gave you nearly 100 examples of that

At this point I understand you won't change your mind, but the article is there for everyone else to read. If you're unsure, the resources are guaranteed to give you the information needed to make a decision. We can't have the spread of bad advice that will get people killed, which is why many people here are passionate about educating others and steering them away from practices such as carrying SERPA's and Uncle Mike's. For everyone else, the resources are here. Study up and carry safely. Most importantly, seek training. Once you've learned a bit, it's easy to tell the good from the bad and do your own research.

Well I can't disagree with anything there I guess

My thoughts on concealed carry is it gives you the opportunity to launch a counter ambush against scum fucks who think you are unarmed

See, my thing is, I don't WANT to shoot anyone... and as someone who's actually spent time being a "criminal" and around these types of people, they go for the unarmed people like you said.

I lived and frequented some really bad areas in Philly, areas where white people who aren't from there dont go. And I've had people jump out on me and they turn to absolute jello when you pull a gun or they see you're carrying.

That said, it isn't for everyone because you have to have the mindset that you are carrying an exposed weapon.

And not everyone should open carry... there's plenty of idiots who shouldn't carry period... but that would require someone to have the power to restrict rights

Like I said, the vast majority of the time open carry will work as a preventative measure. The drawback is the crazy fuck who sees the gun and still wants to come at you now knows you have it and where it is located.