04 May 2020 05:57
It’s different everywhere
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It’s different everywhere
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I guess... I'm on the east coast, so everything is not only P25, but encrypted out here.
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But from what I hear in my scanner groups, theres not much left on UHF/VHF
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Case in point, i found some local band crew members using shitfangs and they were on the local vhf Sheriff’s freq since they have no idea what freq is what.
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Luckily the sheriff just switched to 800 p25 and they weren’t running any PL tone so if there was any backup radios on they wouldn’t have heard them.
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NYPD is all analog and non-encrypted fyi...
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Yeah, I find people on my itinerant channels all the time
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That’s just the nature of itinerants
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But they give you a legal place to run encryption
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Kinda, but it's always idiots with chinafangs
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I thought you still couldn't run encryption on business band?
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You can run encryption anywhere it’s not specifically excluded
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Like ham, MURS, FRS all exclude it
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Like i mentioned, we licensed a bunch of itinerants across low band, vhf, and uhf. We specified analog narrowband emissions, p25 emissions, trbo, and NXDN. Once you go to digital modulation adding encryption is easy.
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I wonder if I can change any of that, it'll be time to renew in the next 2 years
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Encryption on analog used to be hard and sounded like dogshit so not many places used it, and only for special situations. Now with digital it’s all bits anyway so re-ordering them per an algorithm is peanuts
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That’s why so much public safety is going enc, because nobody wants to be heard and it’s easy of not free these days with new gear.
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Yeah, I don't really know shit about encryption, I always thought you had to be on the 700-900 bands etc.
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Yeah you can do it now, file an amendment to the license to add the right designators
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Sounds like I need to dig up all my paperwork
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Just like with phones and apps, you never want to say something without using encryption. And that’s why the boojfengs aren’t going to cut it.
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The business doesn't exist anymore, so hopefully that won't be an issue
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Nah fcc don’t ask for business license or nothing
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I could've swore I had to provide that, but it's been almost 10 years
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Also, all this talk about what freqs to use, ham or FRS/MURS etc...that’s the last place you’d find me. When the shtf those will all be full of dipshits with walmart radios and hams trying to hold nets and dumb shit. For real ops, you need to get away from the public areas that can be easily jammed. Those are good places to practice and learn radio, but are the first place I’d look for fuckers if i was a fed.
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Anyone here have a CB?
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We need you for a minute.
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I prefer to hide in plain sight. Slip between a couple of normal police channels, or modify the radio for out of band and slip just outside the accepted band limits.
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I am a long time cb’er
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Alright so: we’re looking for connections with truckers.
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Channel 19 on CB?
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Yep thats the trucker channel
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@redbeard yeah, that's why I'm looking at the APX... but I'm not seeing too many multiband models on Ebay
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@EDDSkitz yeah APX 8000 or 8500 are pretty new and not as many out there. 7000 and 7500 are a little easier to find
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Oh, so those are the multiband models and not the cheap 4k?
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@[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/ that is the usual channel but be aware that many new drivers are foreigners that don’ta speaka the eeenglish and don’t even have radios. I’ve heard some companies don’t allow them to be installed any more either due to dumb ass drivers fucking up the wiring
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> Oh, so those are the multiband models and not the cheap 4k? @EDDSkitz yeah 7000 is dual band and 8000 is multi. 7500 and 8500 are the matching mobiles. All others are single band
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Yeah, I got rid of my CB's... they are barely used anymore and I'm right on the northeast corridor
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Used to have a 100 foot base antenna and an amplifier that turned all the TV screens red 😂
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I don’t hear much on the cb where i am but there are some dedicated guys that still hang on 38 LSB around here. A little south of me a bunch still hang out on there like the redneck internet CB used to be.
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I love me some redneck internet
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I fried a whole gas station talking on my 400W radio in the car while pulling in. Fried the controllers and blew all the fuses. Looked like Chinese on the gas pump screens.
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One of my friends to the south knows a particular business that his cb will set off the burg alarm, so he uses that when he needs the cops to be at one end of town while he is up to no good elsewhere
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Talking through people's TV's like the voice of god was always funny
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I have radio related antics stories for days...
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I emptied a walmart of it’s employees one time. I had a covert vhf radio that looked like a nextel flip phone. Used it on MURS to talk to them, told them i found one of their radios in the store and was out in the lot about to smash it on the ground.
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They came out and kept talking to me trying to find me, and i was walking right past them with my ‘flip phone’ open and talking to them and waving at them and still had no clue
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So real quick... cause I definitely can't afford the 6k and up... the 4k will still do encryption correct? I'm probably gonna order two tomorrow if so.
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I gotta do some research anyway and see if they still need an amplified PTT, get a programming cable, and find the software
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Yes they are all capable, to a certain extent
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They can all do software ADP encryption. But to do hardware AES the algo needs to be bought and loaded into the hardware. You can find some that have it already and will say like KG1 AES-256, KG2 DES-OFB, KG3 ADP etc.
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Yeah, I'll have to figure all that out, I know you said analog encryption isn't the best anyway... but if they work open air on my business channels they'll still get some use for now
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As far as audio adapters just find the APX accy catalog. They have all the right shit to adapt direct to headsets with no interface needed
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Hang on let me be clear
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All the encryption I’m recommending is digital based
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Nobody does analog anymore
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P25 is a form of digital modulation, as is DMR/MotoTRBO/Nexedge-NXDN-IDAS
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P25 does not mean trunking
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Oh okay, like I said, I'll have to figure all that out. Even if I'm under using the radios, just having the capability is nice
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Yeah, I'm actually familiar with trunking and P25... I do alot of scanning of the public safety stuff around here
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Ok when you were talking about requiring infrastructure and what not, i wanted to make sure you knew p25 could be used simplex radio-to-radio or via a digital capable repeater too. As well as trunking can also be analog like my local power station.
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I would consider a repeater of any sort "infrastructure"
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Just by definition... I didn't mean like government equipment
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Sure it is technically
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I have a vhf p25 repeater sitting here I’m trying to decide what to do with
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Yeah, p25 is just the standard
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That I know
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Everything I do or really plan on needing is simplex device to device anyway.... don't really have people here that would buy that gear
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That's why I'm gonna buy 2 of the APX units
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Oh there are two 4000 models too, a one-knob and a two-knob. I have the single and can’t decide if i like it better or not.
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At least I can hand one to someone and have that route
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Oh yeah simplex portable to portable or mobile to portable is the most likely use in this crowd
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Or god help us a couple of buttfungs cabled together so they can interfere with each other
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Yeah, and hopefully if I have the two and get it all setup that'll convince some of my friends to sell a gun and buy one, haha
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That’s a bad idea for 10 reasons
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Yeah gotta get your friends in on it
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I meant 10 bad reasons to make a repeater out of baofucks
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First and foremost above all else is one thing most people have never heard about. Duty Cycle.
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I mean... they serve their purpose
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And you can't beat dirt cheap if you're only using FRS channels anyway
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I’d never bet my life on a piece of shit with less quality than a kids toy
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It’s literally the ‘only wrong answers’ meme if you asked someone to design a radio
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If you’re poor and that’s all you can do then so be it.
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But if you can spend $$$thousands on a gun, and the radio you buy is a bingbong, that’s just out of ignorance
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I'm far from a poor, but I still use them 🤷♂️
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But again if I can get a good quality APX and still use the channels everyone is on, then that's what I'm gonna do
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No argument about the failure rate
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I’m proud to say I’ve never owned one. But the couple i programmed for a guy i hated the whole time.
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I’d like to think I’d never buy one, but if i was given a couple i would keep them for random shit.
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The fact they are dual band is nice, until recently that was an advantage only hams had. I tend to stick to vhf mostly for it’s range. But most of my sneaky small team shit tends to happen on uhf for various reasons. So really this 4000 for me is a holdover until i can get an 8000
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Yeah, seems to be a good entry level into mission critical comms
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Thanks for the info by the way
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Sure happy to share
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