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Just realized it's fucking 3am... I need to go to bed

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Has anybody seen this yet

@EDDSkitz @redbeard @Yeetasaurus Rex @[CA] SoyBoi - Dang it I missed a convo about my profession, I work on P25 terminals and sites. I'll just add this for now. If a radio can do P25 Trunked it should be able to do P25 Conventional. While I don't have much Moto exposure I do know this to be true for MA/COM, Tyco, Ericsson, Harris radios. So you can run encrypted comms via P25C if the modules are enabled and keys are loaded. Additionally, if FREQEDIT is enabled in the MA/COM, Tyco, Ericsson, Harris radios one can edit Tx/Rx frequencies and CTCSS tones (analog and P25C) with the keypad just like the Baofeng radios.

@KaiBran - I learned about "second" phone number apps from my son, who used them on his phone to prank his friends in 8th and 9th grade a few years ago. I tried one to see what is was about and found it useful to keep a level of anonyminity but not for much else.

Someone mustve already asked this but what free resources are available for studying for the amateurs license

@KaiBran - Get this app, it has the test questions in both a learning setting so you read all of them and then quiz mode where 35 are randomly selected. Keep quizing until you pass it repeatedly.

Awesome

This is a good resource for where to start as well.

@[VA] JediComms thanks man! I'm downloading it

@[VA] JediComms thanks for that... seems like moto has a special key loader hardware device. I'd have to get back with @redbeard on whether that's something I need to load keys or if it can be done software side. I'm gonna grab a few if these cheap APX radios for now and at least have the capability and still be able to run the usual frequencies I do now.

@EDDSkitz - Moto has the KVL 3000/4000/5000 to load keys with. You can buy a used 3000 on eBay for a few hundred dollars and make all the keys you want......and other manufacturers use the KVL to make keys for their radios, too.

I was looking at the 4k

Oh, nevermind... you're talking the keyloader

I'm looking g at the APX 4000 radios

Yeah, the ability to make your own keys on the fly has value all to itself.

Yeah, true

Right now I'd be the only one with one of these that I work with, so I'm gonna buy 2 radios and start there... at least I'll have the capability

This is my truck portable

Nice, I like harris as a manufacturer, but they are expensive

They are made in the US though right?

Assembled in the US using US and Japan Radio Company parts.

JRC makes a lot of comms part for many companies.

Nice, I try to order Japan as much as possible when it comes to electronics, fuck China

Is that XL200 you got there one if the "cheaper" models?

Oof.... nevermind, lol... looks like that's one of the more top tier radios.

I'm not a poor by any stretch, and I'm a buy once crye once kinda guy, lol.... but I just can't justify a few grand for one radio right now.

@EDDSkitz - then, ummm.....

Would it be ideal to carry one, or 2 if SHTF, in order to give it to a party that you need to speak with that doesn't have one?

@[CA] SoyBoi - as with anything gear related, two is one one is none. Plus, having the ability to share comms in the field with extra radios is a good idea.

Because then you know they are set up to work in unison.

@[VA] JediComms nice way to blow 15k 😂😂😂

Insert fast and furious reference here

Good point, hard to assume anyone I meet up will have what they need

@EDDSkitz - working within the P25 industry affords me luxuries I am lucky to have without the expense.

Yeah, I figured

I'm an industrial electrician, so I get the same thing when it comes to expensive electrical projects

All I care about is simplex encryption

@EDDSkitz - which you can do using a KVL and a P25C capable radio, Moto or otherwise. Just make sure that encryption is enabled on the radio.

@[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/ what do you need too know about cb?

I learned what I needed to know.

@[VA] JediComms @EDDSkitz FYI besides the hardware keyloader there is a new device called kfd tool that is a usb dongle and software package for $250.

@redbeard - is that proprietary for Moto radios or applicable to other brands like the KVL?

Is that software just for keyloading?

Also, wanted to pick your brain on what I need to do with the FCC if you know... I dug up my paperwork today, still have 2 years left.

It is not Motorola only, it’s anything that follows the standard.

It will def do those xl200.

When people talk about programming, for example a baofeng What does that mean? Are you setting restrictions on it or what are you programming it to do?

It was meant to be a cheap open source way to keyload without needing to buy the expensive hardware based unit.

@[CA] SoyBoi you are configuring what frequency your channels are on and other settings like power output and channel names.

Ohhh, okay, how do you decide how to program it? Is there a guideline or something to go off of?

You just have to research and figure out what frequencies you can or want to operate on.

For instance the most used is those FRS and GMRS frequencies, there are lists online for them, and you just plug in the numbers

CHIRP is the software to use for the baofeng radios

Yeah knowledge and experience. It’s not a beginners task, and why a lot of people start with ham radio to learn how things work.

https://youtu.be/MEpBo5lixsw

https://youtu.be/tyHwAq7w9QE

That guys channel is a good source of info across the board

For sure thanks guys! Need to start digging

Yeah, it's a pretty in depth hobby

IMO it's worth having the basic knowledge even if you only want them for emergencies

I need a couple of those Harris xl200 to fall off a truck near me lol

Lmfao... right

But the software isn’t as cooperative as the Motorolas I guess

I looked them up after he posted earlier.... made me feel poor

On the fcc stuff, I don’t have a step by step but I can tell you what you are doing is filing an update to the license. Just like would have happened for everyone in 2012 for narrowbanding. You want to add p25 emissions so you need to add 8K10F1E.

https://www.apcointl.org/spectrum-management/spectrum-management-resources/licensing/emission-designators/

Okay... yeah, we got our allocation right after the narrowbanding happened

Yeah so you probably only have 11k2F1E emissions on each frequency right now.

If you want trbo too you will want 7k60F1E

So I would have to add emissions to every channel I wanna use it looks like

Yes. Now if these are true itinerant use channels and not exclusively licensed only to you in that area, you can pretty much just do what you want and not bother to update the license.

Business radio users never ID by callsign

Itinerant is one step above MURS and FRS and is similarly ignored it seems

Yeah, definitely itinerant, they were setup for a radio rental business based out of Philadelphia, but meant to be rented to production companies up and down the east coast.

Hardly ever used actually in Philadelphia... that's why we had a company do all the paperwork for us so we didn't fuck it up.

Yeah for legit use it’s best to have all the details in order

I figure at this point for what we're doing we dont need to update anything because we will only ever have a few units at this point. In 2014 we had over 200 CP200's being used at many festivals, some at the same time between Florida and Vermont

But if it's easy enough, or doesn't cost a ton, why not. Probably dont need to do it to all 25 channels either

If you go through the effort to do it at all, just do them all so you aren’t limited later. That’s why I mention adding Trbo as well.

A local radio shop went around doing updates for narrowbanding and they added narrow, trbo, NXDN, and maybe one other to everyone’s license so they had the option to upsell them on whatever they could.

That same shop had a sales cunt there that tried to give me a hard time because I set up our dept radios and they didn’t make a penny off us. So after I left they took some radios to them and she tried to say I was illegally using a freq so they could charge them to remove it. I pulled up the license and showed them it was legit and pointed out it was them who did the license updates to allow it. Fucking sales people...

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I know what NXDN is... I'm not familiar with trbo, gotta look that up

Are Baofengs still legal to buy?

Without a license that is

I don't want a dead pup

Yes

Order here

https://baofengtech.com/

They are in the US and legitimate seller

> I looked them up after he posted earlier.... made me feel poor @EDDSkitz - I'm just as poor then, because I could never justify spending the amount of money it would take to get even one XL200P. I'm very fortunate that my profession gives me toys, as any specialized position in any given industry does........and if it is any consolation I own a Baofeng and two pairs of FRS/GMRS radios, too.

@redbeard - Harris' RPM and RPM2 programming software are worlds apart from each other. Luckily the XL family can only be programmed with #2, which makes programming a radio a breeze compared to life under the original RPM. I have to stay current in RPM, though, because of legacy radios I come across from time to time.

@[VA] JediComms yeah, I figured they were a work thing. I get the same thing from people about my multi-thousand dollar collection of tools. Some very high dollar Fluke meters.

I also work in heavy industry so I also use Peltor comtac III's as my hearing protection.

@EDDSkitz - Nice! A coworker of mine adapted the Bose Vic 3 CVC to work with the legacy radios we have. If time ever permits he and I want to make the adapter to use the Bose with the XL, too.

Sweet... luckily we use kenwood radios at work, so my special amplified PTT works for them and the Baofeng I use when out doing innawoods stuff with the bois

I have a couple of Kenwood radios someone threw out at work last year, still in the box. They're UHF portables.....I just haven't taken the time to learn anything about them.

They are super basic, nothing special really... but workhorses