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@Zone-Tan antifa seems to be split as well, perhaps our differences aren't so different after all. Someone posted on fb that antifa made a statement from its page after the president labeled them terrorists. There beliefs in writing anyway seem to be very similar to ours

I might be tracking what you mean but I rather not assume and be way off base

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Ive got nothing from my contacts up norht

I have a copy of the statement of anyone wants to see it, it's two long to post here

And your referring to which post exactly of the pictures?

@Landfill me

@Zone-Tan https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/704577856914849802/717347163063058539/FB_IMG_1591097817934.jpg this one

Roger

Ugh, I'm not ready for the great boodle doodle

@Confused you good for VC bby, could use some help

@Zone-Tan sent

@Landfill Ill take it too bby

@Son I'll see if i can put it up here actuality now that it's segmented

"TO: ALL MEDIA PUBLIC STATEMENT FROM “ANTIFA” IN RESPONSE TO THE THREATS ISSUED BY UNITED STATES PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP Dear Mr. Trump: Let us be perfectly clear: “Antifa” isn’t an organization. There’s no membership, no meetings, no dues, no rules, no leaders, no structure. It is, literally, an idea, and nothing more. Even the claim of this author to represent “Antifa” is one made unilaterally for the purposes of this communication and nothing more; there is no governing body nor trademark owner to dispute the author’s right to represent “AntiFa.”

ANTIFA will always be authoritarian communists it dosent matter who they use to meet there goals. Same as every communist revolution in history as soon as they take over they purge the undesirables or those that could be seen as a threat to the higher ups to the party. Communists are communists simple as that

“Antifa” is a neologism constructed from a contraction of the phrase “anti-fascist.” The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist. The ostensible president of the United States has, today, openly declared that he is a fascist and that he intends to turn the military power of the United States into a fascist tool. Now there is no question, and we can stop pretending that this man represents anything but the worst in humanity, which his supporters embody. And that is the only effect his words will have.

But, since both the “president” and the media insist on acting as though “AntiFa” is this big, scary organization, the author supposes it’s time for “AntiFa” to make a statement. Thus: “AntiFa supports and defends the right of all people to live free from oppressive abuse of power, whether that power is unjustly derived from wealth, status as an employer, or political popularity. Particularly, AntiFa defends and supports the right of oppressed and marginalized people to protest, march, and engage in civil disobedience in pursuit of justice. While it is never our intent to engage in violent or destructive behavior, we cannot and will not take responsibility for telling people how they are allowed to be righteously outraged. We prefer and encourage non-violent action. We also understand that some people just aren’t feeling that nice anymore. Their feelings are entirely justified, and it is neither our role nor our privilege to tell them otherwise. Mass civil disobedience is what happens when people say they’re hurting and whoever’s hurting them refuses to stop. Stop hurting them. Fix your broken systems. Get real and meaningful psychological evaluations and background checks - police in some nations have to pass a more stringent test to carry pepper spray than any police department in the US, or the US military, have in place. As a direct and possibly deliberate consequence, our military and paramilitary personnel simply cannot be assumed to be fighting in the interests of the people of this country

.... no rules.... no meetings no leaders or structure is BS I’ve seen flyers literally advertising for meetings in my local area

You can’t arrest 100 million of us, sir, and you would be well-advised not to try. If you think that targeting and “making an example of” the author of this document will get you anywhere, you may rest assured that this author is more than prepared to allow his real name to be used as a rallying cry for justice and civil disobedience from coast to coast.

I dont get them, they talk about being peaceful, yet I hasve never seen or heard of one of their rallys not ending in a riot

t is time for you and everyone who thinks like you to understand that whether black, red, brown, white, or any other color, Americans

are done living in a nation of empty platitudes and broken promises. Traditionally, this type of document is accompanied by a list of “demands.” Here are our demands: -Universal single-payer health care, without regard for citizenship status. -Universal basic income WITH a federal job guarantee, under which the federal government becomes the “employer of last resort.” Involuntary unemployment is a function of profiteering by fascist capitalist oligarchs who are willing to sacrifice the lives of others for their own enrichment. It must end. -The abolition of “right to work laws” which do exactly the opposite of ensuring anyone’s right to work. -Publicly funded higher education. -Robust and effective social welfare programs to include child care, education, employment training and counseling, parenting skills training, and life skills training including fiscal education. -A requirement that functional proficiency in media, political, and economic literacy be demonstrated to graduate high school.

are done living in a nation of empty platitudes and broken promises. Traditionally, this type of document is accompanied by a list of “demands.” Here are our demands: -Universal single-payer health care, without regard for citizenship status. -Universal basic income WITH a federal job guarantee, under which the federal government becomes the “employer of last resort.” Involuntary unemployment is a function of profiteering by fascist capitalist oligarchs who are willing to sacrifice the lives of others for their own enrichment. It must end. -The abolition of “right to work laws” which do exactly the opposite of ensuring anyone’s right to work. -Publicly funded higher education. -Robust and effective social welfare programs to include child care, education, employment training and counseling, parenting skills training, and life skills training including fiscal education. -A requirement that functional proficiency in media, political, and economic literacy be demonstrated to graduate high school.

It may be a cloak and dagger tactic from them since they aren't known for being peaceful through history so far

We'll see, I wouldnt be suprised if we start seeing them pop up inciting shit

There just trying to save face since everyone knows what they are

That said though, there could easily be some of them realizing the reality that their tactic might won't against similar position people, but their tactics fall a bit short without fire power against the World's Police Force aka our military

Those demands are full blooded shit caked Communism though

Some of the points in it are spot on and others are way out in left field

I could see addressing the bias issue would be a big deal, but humans will always have a bias so while a great idea you're talking about something impossible

Regardless we shouldn't count add to our enemies over pride alone. While we call them ancoms, they call us white supremacist, yet we tell them they are wrong all the time, perhaps they say we are wrong? All the of us have bad eggs that have us bad reps. What's to say things don't change?

Universal Basic income? A guaranteed job with the government? Publicly funded college? "Functional proficiency in Media, political, and economic literacy be demonstrated to graduate high school" that last one is literally demanding kids be indoctrinated with their economic beliefs, their media bias, and their political beliefs before being allowed to graduate.

@Landfill never

@TacticalBeard then we're all doomed to fail before it starts

And I will take my chances alone before I ever support a a communist revolution

I'll fight with the people that are trying to change government corruption (BLM) but I'd rather die than help Commies take over. Because then we'll just be fighting them next.

Or we can all three come to a compromise and resolve our differences once we achieve our one unified goal...

Lmao

Landfill you’re hilarious

Hear me out on this cause while their agenda has many commi style flaws think about this for a moment. We all disagree with the looting and senseless destruction of private property of citizens. However, if you look at how effective they are at doing it without "pew pews" think about if they had covering fire and were pointed in the right direction

@Zone-Tan exactly, we all have the same goal, just different methods and ideology

Communism is essential to their cause. That's like them saying "Maybe we can work with those Big Apple Bapple bois if we can get them to just give up their guns"

Not saying I want to work with them, but there is the old saying "the enemy of my enemy"

WHY is communism acceptable when they have killed far more of there own people in fare more countries than even the NAZIS

Because they have no actual moral basis that’s well thought out

It's because they had no higher calling to fill that void,that I'm sure a lot of us have but fill it with work, of old tradition of religion

The fact is that there's people burning and looting claiming to be antifa, and people threatening to kill poc claiming to go big ig. How about actually having podium and speak and truly find out what eachother intentions are

but zone could have a point, they’re good at some aspects that we suck at. If you can get some antifa kid you went to high school with to help you smuggle medical aid into protest areas, is it worth it to ignore his ideology for an hour? Maybe, maybe not.

Nazis are absolutely scum. But communists are 100% more evil and yet are magically accepted, Why? Because once upon a time they fought a war against Nazis ?

@TacticalBeard your pride and belief that your values are superior to another will be your downfall

I'll give you an answer you won't like to this up coming "kick off"

Evil vs evil dose not make the winner good

@Landfill ok commie

Let’s not devolved to name calling

Alright lets not decsend into this bullshit

Thename of the game with what's coming isn't just who has more fire power, it's who has more bodies to throw at it

@TacticalBeard all war is evil yet your willing to fight for freedom but openly claiming because they have a different ideology they are beneath you. How is that any different then what we are fighting for

Stop stop stop

Take a breath both of you and cool your heads.

Morning gents and ladies

Listen I can honestly say I don't give a fuck if your Antifa or CLO, the point of this fight isn't to divide us, its to bring us together. Communism is a bad system, but it doesn't mean that you have to hate someone for thinking it isn't. We all need to work together to put a stop to this, there are certain things Antifa does better then we do, and we need to play off that. The media has us all at each others throats and that's exactly where they want us. Instead, we need to rally together and realize that we share a common goal

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Everyone here has to remember, when this kicks into full swing they and we will need all the help we can get and just like history in WW1 and 2. You never thought you'd see Russia and the US fighting a common goal

At work, can't join vc right now

And we are talking about a Capitalism country and a Communism country with a common goal

Their demands are literally authoritarian demands

But ok

That's not the issue right now

Yes they are, but it doesnt mean you have to hate them for it.

We can iron out demandsonce the smoke settle

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We're fighting ***against authoritarianism*** and ***authoritarianism*** isn't the issue? ||Not trying to be a dick||

what in the actual fuck is with that list ^ that is some of the most rediculous shit ive ever laid eyes on the 2nd and 3rd point i can agree but the rest of it is pure autism

Lmfao good morning brother

Yes, commies are bad. That doesn’t mean that deciding to take them on and the current govt at the same time makes you the super goodest guy, or smart.

pure unadulterated butt fuckery i say

Put it to you like this, would you rather die as a igloo knowing there was a possibility to over power them with someone more proficient than you in what you needed and you couldn't swallow your pride. Or would you rather win and have to iron out the details like a democracy and come to terms

and good morning sister

Think of it this way, why would we fight on two fronts. Antifa is shit, but they have a few valid ideas. Instead of just autiscally screeching at each other in chat rooms, why not start understanding each other more and try to show them. You get more flies with honey, rather than vinegar

Replace a tyrant with a tyrant 🙄

Chat thismorning poppin the fuck off

No country ever going through rev is perfect

No one is suggesting we allow antifa to complete their stated goals

Sleep deprived son is in a anger mood from work so im here to argue lmao

I never said i agreed with most of what they wrote but they put out a public statement that seems to go against the grain of what is said about them being only anarchist, together we could all build a country with ideas from everyone

We aren't replacinga tyrant with a tyrant, we just have to accept the fact they are better at giving 0 fucks and destroying shit while we try to be tactful and pick a timing

And now there an internationally recognized terrorist organization for it

wait so @Landfill was that list and shit from a post that you found?

And so are we

He said Antifa and others

Like I said, im sticking with BLM, their goals are a lot more similar to ours than those Commie bastards.

Hardly anyone knows about our intentions, don't think for a second you'll be treated better because you protest but claim you aren't antifa but have a pew pew

For example, why wouldn’t you coordinate with antifa and BLM and who ever else is near you, to all protest the government at the same time at different locations, to overwhelm their response? You can hate antifa and be smart about your planning at the same time

@ᚷᚱᛁᛗᚾᛁᚱ someone copied it and posted to an ice hut group saying it was posted to antifa's fb page. I'll do some digging see if i can find the link