02 Jun 2020 13:07
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Grand pow-wow. Divisive content subject to deletion.
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If you try to go fight everyone you ideologically disagree with at the same time, you’re likely to have a bad time
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@TacticalBeard you do realize you're no different from them being like this right? Antifa is just like each, extremely segmented and certain groups have differing views than each other. Ill say it to the end of time, don't just hate someone because of the wide spread generalizations they post. Instead try to communicate with them and turn them to our side. Right now we are fighting a hearts and minds war, and were fucking losing because of shit like this.
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Again, the name of the civil kick off is who has more bodies at their disposal to throw at it.
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your not wrong
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> Again, the name of the civil kick off is who has more bodies at their disposal to throw at it. @Zone-Tan strong disagree with that actually. Planning counts
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but if they have more people AND a better plan
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is in the butt bob
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Well you just have to have a better plan 😉
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Look at China vs the US and what's been happening lately, they've been flexing gradually because of planning like you said because they own so much of our debt, how do you enforce it though? Man power and equipment
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That’s a complicated analogy haha, us China is a very in depth conflict
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Right and I agree we need a plan, starting with not being so divided as people, regardless of ideas, the big picture taken at face value of each group is a hatred toward our current government system
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To what degree with disagree with which portions we may differ and we have to be able to show restraint when we finally get to the final piece of the solution and not over step it or we repeat the cycle
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The system I could see at the end is we resort to a system currently in place of democracy using the 2 party version but make it 3 between antifa, igloo, blm and the first thing to address is to get the details ironed out asap
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That uh. I don’t think that’s how it’s going to work
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I can hate and distrust communists all I want. All they do is cause death destruction poverty and genocide everywhere they go. If they want to start riots everywhere they go and become enemy number 1 like they did this week it’s there fault. I will never support them
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Not saying it's the best idea in the world but even as the constitution states, abolishing the government may not be the solution to leave a common form in place and change it from the inside once we have control of it
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The way i see it they excel at pr, and bringing in smuggled goods, but have poor if any training, we lack pr but have training in multiple specialties. We could help eachother and be unified, and iron out the differences when the dust settled
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Yes beard, you can hate them all you want. Doesn’t make it a smart tactical decision
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We aren't saying you have to support them, just bite your tongue and work with them till the end goal is met then we get everything situated asap
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Even if just the igloo won, what would we have to do, get everything coordinated asap. If they won what would they have to do? The same thing. Even if the current government won, I bet money they go back and iron out more details on ways to control you to prevent a repeat of this
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Would be diffrent if it wasnt antia
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I got diffrent ideology than BLM but I like them (The organized BLM)
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Same fir black panthers
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Yeah. I hit up local BLM to go to a small protest. To make sure I was welcome and what I should wear
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Antifa violate the rights of others abd are legit terrorist.
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Here's a great example. In the US, MLK and Malcom X. Same goal, different approach but while they didn't see eye to eye on their approach, they were able to approach the same issue at the same time together
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Even if antifa and us had sane goals violating the rights of others and I cringily say this The NAP shouldnt be tolerated.
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I mean in most places it was pretty clear that NAP violations sat squarely on the shoulders of the cops
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@TZoning right, but my point is, body count. You want to know how world leaders look at military forces? Like money, who has more money to throw at it. Who has more bodies to throw at the issue
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you cant just blame everything on cops man dont cut excuses for antifa. They have been attacking people at every single protest fir the past 5 or more years.
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Cops did bad and so did antifa
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> @TZoning right, but my point is, body count. You want to know how world leaders look at military forces? Like money, who has more money to throw at it. Who has more bodies to throw at the issue @Zone-Tan I mean the entire might of the US and western allies has been getting their shit walked on by semi-funded lightweights for decades lol
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I still say we atleast have a sit down, see what eachother is about and then pass judgements after. This. What ever this is, isn't just gonna effect one of us....
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The idea behind working with them is for a couple reasons. They are better at being willing to destroy targets but they go at it aimlessly so all they need is someone to point them the right way. If we point at the current standing military they will say no but
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Man im so fucking tired
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Strongly disagree on the Antifa front. They don't have the same overall goals, they damned sure don't have the same methodology.... And I'm sorry if this upsets someone...but how you win matters! Silencing protesters with bike locks and other such tactics is different than a cop doing it with a baton....how?
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Ive seen 5 years of antifa violence and rhetoric. They should have been labeled terrorist some time ago.
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So should riot cops lol
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revenge isnt very NAP so dont misconstrude
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Imagine if you will, that Antifa power to destroy pointed at the military that's turned against its people and become oppressive, you get them fired up, and then you show them that you got them covered from above since we use reach out and touch you toys, do you think they will be more than willing to attack then knowing they aren't being lead to slaughter
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Civil kick off won't be peaceful, I don't think the current standing corruption in government will just willingly roll over and give up to peaceful protest
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@Zone-Tan. That would truly be leading them to the slaughter
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No one is saying no due process as far as Ive seen.
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And the VA rally proved we could protest all we want and show our toys, doesn't mean they will do what we ask of them
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Cops in the blue cities allways had to let antifa go because their politicians were affiliated with the org and got them released
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Who here has personally talked to someone affiliated with antifa? Like actually knows someone who either sympathizes or supports them. A friend of a friend is a supporter, we used to go toe to toe constantly about the ig being white supremacist and antifa being commie thugs. As per him they want they same thing we do, an end to injustice. Just like us, their are factions in them. Food for thought
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Not if we have a plan, you play tight areas to your advantage against the military. You break their will to fight and the military will do the same it does in every war, leave because they aren't winning. Look at Iran and Iraq, hit and run tactics but they are more willing to fight than our own military
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I've spoken with several. I'm friends with a few. They tend to have their hearts in the right place but get over excited about things. When it's something they don't like, they tend to say things like "there ought to be a law," but if it's something that affects them or people they care about, suddenly they remember tyranny is bad.
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You just kinda have to remind them occasionally that freedom means freedom for all, at the expense of safety
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Other than a lot of you supporting communism today. If you had any friends in Las Vegas last night check on them. Police killed a guy in full kit last night https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/02/las-vegas-rioter-shoots-police-officer-in-the-head-from-behind/
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If they're in a mob, there's no reasoning with them though
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You don't have to go toe to toe with the military in a heads up fight. Look at the 76, out numbered, out gunned, yet red coats got their asses kicked because they lined up in lines. It's not lines anymore but it's squads in circles so the answer is a squad in a bigger circle
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Something tells me that's a lie.
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I really dont like one of the words there. Domination.
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Many great arrests. The best arrests. China wishes they could arrest like us.
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I like that he thanks himself at the end there
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Or he's trying to say the people are thanking him
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Apparently they got Minneapolis too?
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So far Ive only seen exta policing be directed at antifa, when iy comes yo them. I hope that everyone gets their day in court including antifa because anyone labelimg another needs proof Cops should be investigated for force escelations and abuse of fotce as well when shit settles diwn
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Police chief of Louisville got fired after his officers didn't have body cam footage when they shot an innocent man in a crowd
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I gtg. Since it's clear and sunny I need to try to get through some of these cities in my rig. If you see a guy wearing a fuck your feelings shirt feel free to say hi
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@TZoning gov cuomo is currently ordering an investigation into nypd by the attorney generals office for just that
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When did they deploy to MN last night???
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Yeah, they shot BBQ man
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I just tried to join an Antifa discord to ask them if they agreed with that thing Landfill posted
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But they actually vet everyone that joins, and make you link your social media
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So that didnt happen
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Do you got a link to that Landfill?
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I couldn't find the post it might be in a closed group, i'd rather not join one with the president going after them
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Yeah, but I figure I'm as flagged for being here as I am for being there
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If I'm wrong and they don't stage by that statement though I'll be the first to admit i was seeing but i really hope that it's true
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So i just talked to a fiend of a friend who supports antifa, he says that like us there are factions. The people who tend to be more violent are what they call Blackbloc, they are the anti capitalists
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@Anonymoose were you watching the feed from DC late last night where the cops were doing drive boys on the protest group with pepper balls, cs, and flash bangs?
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But it's the boots on the ground that worries me. They blacked it out. Maybe it was so they couldnt see tactics but I'm willing to bet they live fired on someone.
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From my contact
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And the fact they can make a city like DC go dark means they can make a state go dark easily.
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Protest group wasn't rioting or looting and the cops were herding them along at a run for a couple hours before feed went dark. Looked like a cat toying with a mouse
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Every thing Ive seen its not only black bloc whos been assualting people and shit for the past 5+ years
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I dont know.
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@TZoning it's no different then us being roped into the bad eggs, he says atleast his sect supports that statement
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I do. The guys that say Im non violent dress in black for the sole purpose to hide people who commit crimes.
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The same people that went around throwing milkshakes with cement in them.
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Black Bloc is pretty underground. I've had friends in high and low places try to reach out. Apparently you don't find them, they find you
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The same dudes that harrass employers to get people fired for personal veiws.
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We were seeing mainstream Antifa not just blac bloc which is pretty small.
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I don't know i don't think it should be taken off the table just yet, just like they're groups who don't align with us, I'm sure there's sects of antifa who don't align with eachother. From what he told me most of them form where the proud boys are prevalent, the more proud boys the more antifa
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Antifa is very authoritarian when its their authority and veiws being pushed. All those people attacking and vandalising these past 5+ years aren a small minority. We wouldnt let a blac black like element exist but they do and plan on giving them cover.
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I will just say this. I dont support any movement that is based off of destruction of private property or hurting people based on their opinions or beliefs.
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To me that includes antifa and black bloc.
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So has every thing died out now or whst cause urgent comms isnt up and i see no new information
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