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@[LA]Taxation_is_theft. Exactly

I mean, morality aside, voluntary communes do fairly well (specifically because they’re voluntary)

Also, if they are denying people the ability to freely travel through and into the CHAZ then they are negatively and knowingly causing buisnesses to loose revenue, that can mean financial suffering for the owner and their family

People are getting in and out tho

Right but that’s not a justification for the use of lethal force lmaooo

@Cannibal1-1

No one has said they have stopped travel

Even if they're stopping people from entering there is no reason to use lethals.

Food swears it's loyalty to capitalism. House Food has shown us time and time again that it dearly hates communist. Long live house Food!

Well obviously I never said about using lethal Force, that's why I said escalation of Force if they're pushing you then do what you can to get space between you and them if they are using weapons against you then use lethal Force. Because if they're using weapons against you because you're trying to access a public area of downtown Metropolitan they are there for terrorists and you have the right to defend yourself

No. You are so incredibly fucking wrong. @Mando

You obviously don't know too much of the meaning of escalation of force. It doesn't always have to lead to violence

> Even if they're stopping people from entering there is no reason to use lethals. @Acadian Adventurer Agreed. It's mainly weak kids. A show of force and they'll stand down

Commies aren't people they are state pwned property

That violates almost every tenant of civilian application of force possible

You're still in the wrong Mando. Very wrong. Do not.

> @Acadian Adventurer > Agreed. It's mainly weak kids. A show of force and they'll stand down @[LA]Taxation_is_theft that's what I mean you don't have to use lethal Force that's how this guy just understand what escalation of force means you can use escalation of force and not used lethal's or less than lethal

*less lethal

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What have they done wrong tho?

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We're still specifically looking for Intel on that right now because apparently nobody knows 100% what's happening

Burning the commie scum off of American soil is the sovergien duty of every citizen

Ok so then we don’t have any justifiable actions

Innocent till proven guilty

Not now no

First step on that is getting somebody on the ground to gather Intel. No need to go in escalating without independent verification of all facts when things are so conflicting.

> Well obviously I never said about using lethal Force, that's why I said escalation of Force if they're pushing you then do what you can to get space between you and them if they are using weapons against you then use lethal Force. Because if they're using weapons against you because you're trying to access a public area of downtown Metropolitan they are there for terrorists and you have the right to defend yourself @Mando ways this will turn into a murder charge for you super duper fast 1) you entered the area knowing it would cause conflict 2) when conflict began, you stayed when you had the opportunity to flee 3) you escalated force against them when there was no threat to your person 4) you pre-meditated doing all that illegal shit on the Internet 5) you *presumably* escalated to lethal force when there was no clear danger to your body, and you had ample time, opportunity, and warning to flee

What justifies ***any*** use of force Mando? I haven't seen anything to warrant ***any*** force

> Not now no @Mando no? They’re guilty?

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Right now we have no idea who's doing what because Intel is contradicting itself so as of now everyone is innocent

@Crye Salesman stand your ground

@Catman killing it with the emoji reactions 😂

> First step on that is getting somebody on the ground to gather Intel. No need to go in escalating without independent verification of all facts when things are so conflicting. @[LA]Taxation_is_theft just didn't want this to get lost in the other sauce. I agree. 100 percent

Ok so innocent till proven guilty stands

> @Crye Salesman stand your ground @Cannibal1-1 LMFAOOOOO that’s not what that fucking means

Even for hippies

Here's some Intel lol https://www.facebook.com/THEBIGSYNGLOO/videos/2293839820924563

From on the ground

Mando, you're either a basement warrior trying to advance some kind of weird agenda. Or just not very smart when it comes to law, and moral right/wrong

Morality doesn't apply to commies

@Crye Salesman you're assuming I'm planning to do stupid s*** like that I'm not I'm saying I'm just trying to go in there and get in tell if they want to infringe on my right I'm going to defend myself that they're trying to push me out or throw stuff at me just like going somewhere doesn't mean I'm looking for a fight I have every God given right to go down there

Mando is misguided. Don't tear him down. Help him out.

That’s not how defending yourself works. If you initiate the conflict (which you are clearly planing to), you don’t get to escalate or use force

I said nothing about starting a conflict you are assuming that

Walking through an area isn't intending to cause conflict

And no I do not want to I just want to collect Intel like a f****** Gray Man In The Crowd

Lol

You literally said “go in there and tell them”

It's intending to travel from point A to point B over the shortest possible route

No need to use force to get Intel. Use subterfuge

Google. Define subterfuge

Go in there offering free dogecoin

You’ll make friends fast

Bring a case of water for mutual aid ass bam you're in.

And*

Whooooaa I'm not selling ass

That’s actually a good idea

Literally walk up and say "Hey guys can I come in please?" Bam you're in

Wear normal clothing

Don’t stick out

Wear hippie shit

> @Crye Salesman you're assuming I'm planning to do stupid s*** like that I'm not I'm saying that they're trying to push me out or throw stuff at me just like going somewhere doesn't mean I'm looking for a fight I have every God given right to go down there @Mando I literally quote you “I'm just trying to go in there and get in tell if they want to infringe on my right I'm going to defend myself” You have clearly initiated the conflict here in order to try to prove a point. Matter of fact, now, they could escalate force and you would still be at fault

> Bring a case of water for mutual aid ass bam you're in. @[LA]Taxation_is_theft I have actually done that and it works and that's what I do

Buy clothes from a gypsy

Lmao

Get lots of homemade jewelry

Don't buy nestle water. They hate it

Just bring soy beans

Crye you might be miss interpreting the use of tell in that sentence

There supposed to be a "," in there to separate from the word

Tell as in find out Not tell as in to command

What kind of water do they even drink

As in: infinge on my rights, and be violent with me then i will defend myself

Soy water

All natural, gluten free

Lol

Using google voice to text. You pay attention some of my words are misspelled or not making any sense

Ah that explains the “in fridge of rights” 😂

No worries

@Crye Salesman lol I didn't think it was that bad

*B R I NG M E. CONSUM*

Here’s what it boils down to. If you’re walking down the street, and someone stops you and says “turn around and walk the other way bitch” *legally*, your ass better turn around and walk the other way

But what gives that person the authority to tell me that?

I just looked into Virginia stand the ground codes

I said this Earlier and I'll say this now. NO BODY SHOULD BE MAKING ANY JUDGEMENTS UNTIL WE KNOW ALL THE FACTS. All of a sudden we don't believe in freedom because of ideology, guys saying they're gonna go in there stirring shit up thinking it's ok BeCaUsE ThEyRe CoMmIEs. Now we are cool with authoritarianism. We should watch this situation, gather Intel and make a unified decision from there. The way i see it, The B@@G is upon us and has been for a few weeks and while we sit here arguing there's other groups taking the initiative

It’s not a matter of authority @Cannibal1-1, its a matter of ‘you had ample opportunity to walk away and not cause escalation’

Wtf did the eggplant mean

So I'm being encouraged to not challenge authority

Boyyyyy I wouldn’t bet your life on “stand your ground law”. There’s a lot more nuance than “I can stand my ground”

> Wtf did the eggplant mean @Landfill big dick energy

> So I'm being encouraged to not challenge authority @Cannibal1-1 no. You’re being reminded of what actually gets said in a court after you smokecheck someone

Sorry @[LA]Taxation_is_theft, I deleted that because it’s just genuinely not true

That said, if you shoot you'll need a lawyer.

Hope you have insurance

Stand your ground law is not a blanket statement to say that you don’t ever have to move. It removes the duty to *retreat away from danger* If you stand there and cause escalation when you could have walked away, that has nothing to do with stand your ground

> Sorry @[LA]Taxation_is_theft, I deleted that because it’s just genuinely not true @Crye Salesman Louisiana specific. Per my armed security instructor. ;) you're good though.

Read my above comment

Stand your ground law means an incredibly specific thing