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When we have people who want to associate with us but clearly are just not the the people who need to be with us

That’s actually not horribly outside the realm of possibilities.

How do we ensure we distance ourselves and let people who don’t know us see that.

Yoooooo

Yesssss @Melmanreks

There needs to be a defined purpose since people clearly aren't following the NAP

I morally believe in the NAP and follow it strictly. If you voted for a democrat or a republican, you have violated the NAP. If you are a LEO, and I have not violently attacked someone in plain sight of you, and you contact me, you have violated the NAP.

So you don't even believe in arrest warrants?

Not really tbh

What is the NAP

NAP is the Non-agression-principle. Wikipedia will explain it better than I can. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle

I do not believe in the NAP resolutely. There are times where Preemptive or First Strike is an absolute necessity.

That’s not inherently a violation of the NAP

The NAP doesn’t mean you have to wait for someone to beat the shit out of yoj before you use force, you know what I’m saying?

I saw some people.using the old flyer on FB earlier to inform people on the various posts about Texas, etc. And it was poorly received, due to c*v*l w*r language and other inflammatory stuff. Try this out, see what people say

Got you brother

I keep reposting so our new members get a chance to make suggestions, not to be annoying. This flyer should attempt to reach the broadest demographic possible while remaining true to the core principles of Minecraft

Thanks king

Would anybody be interested in an instructional vidoe style meeting, to share information, life skills, bush craft?

Led by some kind of instructor or professional so we can share our skills.

I received a flyer at a protest today.

The one you posted in the main chat? @Catman

No this was a custom one

This is the way to resolve the divide: https://youtu.be/pOAiyogY_6E

@Mr. Kurtz Read through it myself. Seems They took the original and just added some of their own graphics. Not a criticism, just an observation

That’s nice tho we want that if each group keeps the values of our movement then they can customize it to their own demographic

Agreed. That was the ice breaker with them, discussing the fact that I had seen several versions of the same thing.

So at what Point do we start showing up at people houses?

What exactly do you mean?

Not any time soon hopefully @Copbot1001

I would hope so too

Seems like a point of no return

It absolutely is

Which is why we all need to work together, to try to NOT hit thay

This was being distributed by other people at the rally. I was really surprised they were already being printed

I’ve noticed we get most of our support from conservatives or independents with a farther right attitude

I think our biggest ally in gaining support from the other side is claiming ICE as one of our main issues. ICE has been tearing families apart and we can get a a lot more support

^^^^^

They're the only demographic naturally funneled in by shitposting about killing feds in firearms groups.

ICE is a good target. Prison reform, too.

strong agree

especially because ICE is an agency that very purposefully skirts the edges of the constitution and abuses the shit out of their 'authority'

Got to speak about it the way libs and leftists do though. A huge barrier with them is the signalling mechanisms you use to articulate your protests. Lot of internicene feuds there.

Mostly among leftists

Also, the USDA destroying food is another bad thing to pay attention to.

That can lead to *many* families’ suffering.

I agree completely. I hate to say it but we may need to start having some protests without kit or firearms. Liberals see us that way and our message goes right over their head

We got any good sourcing on the mechanics of that, @[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/ ?

@Pat.Henry Im not sure that protesting *with* these other groups would be to our benefit. But cooridnating with them so that rather than clashing with each other, both groups are occupying the police and completely overwhelm them

@Crye Salesman I don’t want to protest with them but to have a cause they sympathize with would help us gain support from people on that side of the spectrum. We want people’s support! Not the parties

strongly agree

I love that idea with the USDA! People need food in these times. No reason we should be destroying the surplus amount

I don't get the fixation on protesting. Gives you PR, makes a lot of noise. Rarely results in any change not already in the establishment's mind. Easily results in crackdowns Civil disobedience with an explicit goal is good, though. That salon, for instance. Ideas like Patrick Connelly's farmer outreach idea builds power, and cultural authority.

The big thing is community service.

We need to provide good services for communities and for the people.

I personally agree. It seems that protesting gets nothing done (For example Virginia’s turnout protesting fine rights) but I see it as a way to get our message out and try and gain support

Exactly. Show that we are for the people

I 99% believe that the Dallas Salon deal is going to get us major support that we need.

*gun rights

We need some more of that and I think we will start to see a lot more of it

We need to endorse good actions, and flame bad actions.

we discussed in voice chat last night that there is some basis in america that follows a path of vote>protest peacefully>civil disobedience>protest angrily>militant action and most people feel some moral obligation to declare and demonstrate their grievances and give the govt opportunity to respond

Skipping steps makes it easier to call us “extremists”

yep. and it makes it very clear who has no real interest in their civil liberties when they make fun of people for following that precedence of events

Va was good shit, but it's a double-edged sword. Without control over MSM messaging, a very strong portion of the population just sees a bunch of wannabe soldiers playing dress up. No real connection to the gun-owning demographic or protestors.

Concur, although the distrust in MSM is growing exponentially. I dont know anyone my age who thinks CNN, Fox, MSNBC are anything more than memes, and even my conservative, sheltered family is able to see the blatant hypocrisy and bias

100%

The real threat is written publications.

There are also online publications that segments of the population still take seriously, both in text and video content

NYT, wappo et all are still papers of record for much of the educated public, even though they've been weapons of the status quo for over a decade

Ye

Although those "actual" newspapers ^ still, at least sometimes, actually commit journalism, which could actually help us

But my main point is with the pamphlet that’s been passed around. Maybe we should highlight our anger towards ICE specifically to at least grab attention from a different demographic

HuffPost will do nothing but call us extremists, a good journalist at the NYT might give us a fair shake and at least an actual examination for our values

i agree @Pat.Henry , i think publicly throwing our support, both verbally and on the streets, behind anti-ICE people, and *sigh* BLM could produce a huge shift in public opinion, at least in the younger generations

I think you vastly overestimate the NYT, unfortunately. As much as they've done great work, they're functionally a tool of the democratic party apparatus (see their biden molestation tweet)

100% @Crye Salesman

BLM dead tho, it seems

Gotta find its descendants, and identify groups we can work with

Identifying 'potential friendly' publications also a good idea

I really like armedequality on Instagram. Not at all BLM but very pro-gun

Ah i didnt necessarily BLM as an actual organization, but rather the other demographics that feel abused by the police

youre probably right about NYT, but you get my drift overall, finding *any* media outlet that would give us an actual bit of journalism could very helpful

@Crye Salesman I don’t think we should side with them but it isn’t a secret that we hate the government. ICE is just another department in the government. We’re really just restating that fact but directing it at a certain department. I see what you mean though. It could cause a small rift

Its a fine line to tread, because groups like BLM have also socially attacked innocent people because they shot it out with someone of a different race. but really letting people know our only concern is ensuring all people are free from abuses of 'authority' and demonstrating that support and sense of community could be paradigm changing

It is also a way to talk with them about their goals because this community has also attacked people that it didn't agree with. Look at the posts from people commenting on the CO guy page

oh for sure, elements of this community are very toxic

As I imagine BLM faces the same problem

definitely

It would be fun to get to know other groups

It’ll help build support as well. Every group has toxic members and sadly those few normally define the group

yeah, it's a really fine line between respecting your group members freedom to express themselves and culling shitty members from your group.

So we do actually have a PR group that is working on developing a podcast that is very much geared towards introducing our movement and softening our image. Once its up and running, getting the word of its existence out will be a big thing. We're still in developing stages but working hard and as soon as we're up whoever you can share it with would be awsome.

If anyone needs an invite, PM me.

Also in regards to anyone in Any other group what we could do as an organization and a movement is recognize their leaders contact them with representatives and speak to them about our similar motives and their followers being unnecessarily violent and how to stop it if they disagree which I’m assuming they would be against unnecessary violence at least the ones who are really invested in it

Agreed. So if you know anybody involved in any sort of movement that is even leaning anti-gov, get in touch and let them know about us. A huge part of our purpose is outreach and you just never know who might be open to our message

Everyone to VC. Updates from Chevy coming in

Years back i knew an Oklahoma militia that did volunteer disaster relief. Tornadoes trash a city? They organized to help. Showing people we give a damn is huge.