Citizens Liberty Organization / 🌎 Global Channels / 🔫the-armory [part 3]

Yeah, I like them lmao

I've got a gen 1 m&p and a 1911, need to upgrade but I'm a long gun guy. Don't know shit about pistols that aren't wheeled. General consensus that Sig Legion is good shit or what?

Sig fix there drop safety issues?

I don't know, that's why I'm asking. Last pistol I bought was a Smith xvr in .460 mag. I'm out of date.

Alright, what's the verdict on Smith and Wesson again? Poor gun or?

Honestly it sounds like the M&P 2.0 is a decent pick up

No more or less POOR than buying a Glock

XVR series isn't poor tier. Don't know about the rest.

I don’t look at handguns the same as rifles. A handgun has to be comfortable in the hand and that can change from person to person

I'll look into gen 2 m&p. I really can't bitch about my gen 1. Although holstering once was the closest I've ever been to an ND. Operator error, yes, still always been in the back of my mind since.

Don’t shoot your dick off

@TacticalBeard Agreed. At the risk of sounding like a god damn fudd I always liked the feel of a 1911.

It would have been the outside of my thigh. I can't do appendix carry.

You see. With the fear of shooting you dick off your brain won’t let you fuck up

Wise words. I get it. My deal is mobility. I'm short as fuck and can't find a comfortable appendix carry placement.

Maybe with a super compact I could but not a full size.

Similar issue due to my enormous clock Very uncomfortable

I'm getting a holster, but hopefully doesn't stab my gut when I sit, thats my issue

@[CA] SoyBoi Right? I was being hummble and now you're making us both look like assholes.

My aliengear holster dosent have any plastic that digs into me that I’ve noticed

That what I got, should be here by Tuesday I believe

Are they solid? Its my first one from them

First holster period so idk how it compares to anything

Does it seem like good quality in general?

Looks decent.

I haven’t gotten to carry it daily since all the CPL classes and shit are shut down but around the house and yard it feels comfortable and you can adjust the retention to your liking to make it easier or harder to draw

Last thing I need is a helmet, but those shits are expensive

Gotta hold off, can't drop 300 rn lol

Lol

Did botach get more 3m high cuts in for 300$?

Hell I can make this thing disappear on me lol and my large frame 44 russian

I like the wood

Yeah I had track those down was a bit of a pain

Lol nice. Idk I love the look of wood on guns. Had to track down a walnut stock set for my PTR91

Yeah some guns look better with wood but some look slick without also

Vz58s look good all black lol

I’m torn between my AK build lol

I'm building one too lol getting my lower soon

I sent all my stuff off to in range a couple weeks ago now I’m just waiting. I don’t really like the look of bakalite but wood looks so nice so I’ve been torn between wood or modern

Oh god. Nice guns, but pls do not use alien gear

What's wrong with alien gear?

I bought a cheap cc holster off wish for shits and giggles and it works pretty good especially for being $10 shipping included lol downside is reholstering is a bit of a cunt

I've never been brave enough to order anything from wish. Then again everything that comes across my feed would get letterheads killing every dog within five miles of my house.

I used to have an alien gear holster, didn't much care for it, went with a vedder holster and I love it, been holding my G19 for 3 years now.

FN is far Superior to the Ruger, but for the price, it’s a great shooter.

@TacticalBeard

I see some ppl like alien gear some people don’t

I’ll see what I like over time

What one has the nicer trigger @American_AF

Anyone local to ga I make holsters currently working on gettin morr mold guns to offer more models.

Read this before making a holster purchase. There's so much meme tier garbage out there like the negligently bad hybrid holsters and serpa's https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2994171093937787&id=1129228243765424

Here's what happens when you carry a pistol without an external safety in a broken in aliengear

That was almost me with an m&p once.

I'll only ever buy good kydex. When you drop 500-600 on a carry pistol, spending 80 on what's even more important than the pistol itself, the holster, really isn't that much.

I occasionally buy cheap shit off wish just to see if it actually works. Occasionally I'm actually surprised sometimes the shit works primo

And more often its crap lol

Though surprisingly if you do your homework the armour plates can be worth it

Oh I buy cheap shit all the time just to test it. I've found some 20 dollar items like off of Amazon and the like.

@BugsyBaldwin I don't know if you watch demolition ranch but he posted a video today I believe about buying garbage on wish.com and he bought a "level 5 bullet proof armor plate" and it was like 80 bucks but it also stopped 50 bmg

Oh yeah, I saw that. It was a thick steel plate. He also tested their level III armor, which was like 25-30 bucks.

The covering was garbage. But the plates themselves held up to .357

With that being said... don't buy it, if you can get real plates.

People who are reputable sources on armor The depth of the Grand Canyon Demolition ranch

Ceramic and UHWEP (Poly)

Demolition ranch is kinda like the lab puppy of gun YouTube. Fun as hell, maybe not the brightest, and definitely shouldn't be trusted.

Love their videos though

Oh yeah, cool dude, fun content. Not something to even consider for life saving equipment

In other news, doing tons of reading on the ar10. Apparently you can put an a5 receiver extension with an ar10 buffer spring and carbine buffer weight on there?

I mean you can adjust your buffer weight on your own, so it’s at least theoretically possible

I'm just sorta torn on the stock. Lots of people use fixed stocks though it doesn't seem that versatile

Been looking at the b5 sopmod because I've used it before and enjoyed it

I would run an LMT-DMR or a magpul PRS probably, but that’s because my use of AR10’s is almost always precision employment

Or a B5 precision stock

I wasn't going to him for advice, I just wanted to see what would happen to chinesium garbage

Always fun to watch Also dang, those stocks are more expensive than I thought

Fair enough. The commentary isn’t necessarily directed at you, but people who lurk or read these chats later

Ah once you start buying nice glass the stock doesn’t seem like a big deal

Fair enough, this is an educational forum

Yeah, stuff adds up though. I'll likely be doing this like my last rifle, one major part per month or so

Found a long rifle range in my state that looks promising. No membership, no nra bullshit, supposedly pretty laid back, and a mile long full of steel targets

A lot of "meme tier" gear is fine if you have a basic understanding of how each piece is meant to be used and can identify points of failure yourself. If you can just throw money at engineers, then good for you. Buy Crye and pay someone to make custom kydex for you. But for everyone else, there is a lot of value and utility to be gotten from poverty gear if you have a fuckin clue and can address problems yourself. Condor PCs and Alien Gear holsters are perfect examples. Condor has issues with shitty stitching. That's the primary problem with most budget PCs. If you know where and how PCs tend to break, it's very easy to reinforce those areas yourself. A $70 PC and a $5 sewing kit can be completely serviceable. And the difference between having guys with serviceable gear or being by yourself with Gucci shit is a big difference. Alien gear holsters are much the same. If you have an ounce of mechanical aptitude and experience with service holsters, you can easily identify the failure points of an Alien Gear and fix all of them with a little bit of grease and a small tube of loctite. I get that the ideal setup is everyone having a BCM build with full Crye kit, but that's fantasy nonsense for desk jockeys. If you want to form cohesive local groups, you have to be able to work with and optimize budget gear.

How would you guys feel about bolt enhancements? I’m looking into being more of a gunsmith and I would love to help people keep their rifles functioning flawlessly. I would be more than happy to start replacing and staking gas keys and cam pins, as well as extractors for those who would like that service.

Any of you bastards built a fal?

@Ballsdini there is a distinct difference between shaming people for their actual budget, which is a complete asshole thing to do, and shaming someone for making *poor decisions*. Alien Gears aren’t any cheaper than quality holsters that *wont* inherently cause you to ND through your thigh. There are quality ceramic plates that cost the same as AR500’s. And no amount of loctite can fix the hot mess that alien gears are, sorry. Life saving equipment and safety are not things you can Jerry rig your way through. I might come off as an asshole, but I would rather that, than coddle peoples feelings and then have that dude put a hollowpoint through his femoral and bleed out because no one told him his holster is sub par.

> @American_AF so you have the RUGER 5.7 and the FN5.7 how do they compare @TacticalBeard Unfortunately the 503

So thoughts on precision shooting. Ar-10 vs bolt action? I'm looking to dip my toes in a bit but I don't know anything about long range shooting. I was considering building an ar10 but it sounds like it'll never be as accurate as a bolt action rifle.

Bolt action

All day

Granted you can build some ar10 to perform as a bolt action

Idk that just my opinion

For anyone with experience with bolt guns, do you have any recommendations? I understand it seems you can't just assemble one like an ar, they seem like they have to be built / modified by a competent Smith

Remington 700 is what I’ve had

Me too. I sold my .270 but I'm thinking of picking up another 700 in .308

I've read that Remington has seriously dropped their quality control. Would it be better to buy parts and have it built in the Remington 700 style without Remington components?

Oh, that's an idea

Or are there other brands that are higher quality? I don't want to jump in buying parts and make a mistake

Reading decent things about tikka