Citizens Liberty Organization / 🌎 Global Channels / 🔫the-armory [part 3]

Yea I was just about to say Tikka lol

But I haven’t heard of Remington having bad QC. I got mine prob 4 years ago now.

I got it off armslist and it performed perfectly

I’ve also have the savage axis I

II*

I loved that thing

@Confused Get a tikka

or one of the savage chassis bolt actions, theyre good deals. Or the ruger RPR.

I got a savage 10 fcp-sr for like $450 and it shoots sub moa easily with hand loads. But the bolt isnt the smoothest.

That’s all solid advice. Essentially the deal is that you can build an AR10 and bolt gun to be equally accurate, but that AR10 will be 2-3 times as expensive as the bolt gun

It kinda seems like if I dump several grand into building an ar10, i can get it down to maybe 0.5moa or a little lower, but many bolt guns do that off the shelf and only get more accurate from there

I’ve had gas guns at or under .5 MOA, and I’ve had bolt guns under .25 MOA. Granted this is with hand loads developed for the barrel. Question is, can you shoot well enough to tell the difference?

Obviously

“ I can shoot .25 MOA all day dude I’m such a good shot” Just straps his guns into a fucking rig that dose everything for him but pull the trigger

I can shoot very accurately with a carbine, but I'll be seeking out classes for longer range stuff. Apparently there's a guy in state who owns a mile long range and has relatively inexpensive classes with good reviews.

Nice

At around 6 years old I was plinking golf balls from 200 yards. I'm almost 25 now

What if you’ve never shot a rifle before

Is it automatically.25 MOA?

😂

Then technically you have a perfect 0.00 MOA aim

Fuckin a

Bow down

Can't miss if you never shoot your shot 👌

lol imagine not knowing the difference between measuring inherent mechanic accuracy and field shooting

My goal is essentially to have a rifle that will hit a human sized target (say 8 inches) with enough power to put it down at at least 1,000 yards if I do my part, while still being capable of being carried comfortably. Must be mag fed, highly reliable, and shoot a caliber that's either common or easy to reload. Right now I'm looking at 6.5 creedmoor, I just don't know much about bolt brands.

Can't be magnum calibers as the range I'll likely be learning at doesn't allow them, they'll damage the targets

Any tips on how to practice shooting and not break the bank lol

If you're practicing within 25 yards, honestly airsoft is a good training supplement if used correctly. Mainly for stuff like dry fire drills, active shooter scenario training, and switching targets. Extremely cheap to fire compared to bullets, but you absolutely must train with real firearms too.

Airsoft is great to practice team movements and firing together without risking shooting each other. And it can be good excersize too. Of course, like Confused said. You need to shoot and train with your actual rifle too.

Hmm actually this place doesn't mention magnum calibers but i know a lot of places don't allow them on steel

Dry fire @[CA] SoyBoi

MSP has some pointers on it

@Confused when someone actually has goals and a requirement for their build 😍

They actually have really nice blowback airsoft gums

Electric blowback is decent but GBB is realistic as fuck apparently

I have a couple GBB pistols and they’re amazing

One shot drills are great for reloads since you only shoot one bullet between magazine changes

I wanna try paintball for more active training

Dry fire as well as live fire obviously

Even just holding position or practicing getting the rifle into position doesn't require shooting.

I start all builds with a purpose. It sorta comes with my maximizer nature. Even the grip on an ar has to be hand selected

Air soft gets you more lifelike manual of arms training but Jfc air shit culture is trash

Paintball is dying but airsoft has guns that feel and manipulate exactly the same as real guns

Paintball is a lot more chill in my experience

You can still practice tactics the manual of arms is just different

And what’s up my fellow okie

Just dry fire your actual guns sheesh

I can’t do that pointing at other people though

You get weird looks and the cops show up

Also yeah some bad apples, usually little kids or people who's entire personality is that they "were gonna join the army but..."

^

@Confused IMO, you’ve got 3 options for that build Buy a semi-high tier AR Buy a mid tier AR and accurize it Buy a middish tier bolt gun

The try hard kids I can handle because they are just edge lords

It’s the grown men who “I woulda been a ranger had I passed my PT test” that take it way to seriously

Most of the kids are actually okay though. Their aggression in play will really throw you for a loop if you're used to playing cautious and only taking shots when you know you'll hit

You'll be bunkered up then suddenly there's a tiny travis haley sprinting at you while putting 5 rounds in your chest

airsoft *stuff* can be good for training. Going and playing airsoft is not

If needed to head out with gear, you can practically carry just a rifle and pistol on you huh

Hurts my heart not to bring the rest of the goods

Dry fire real guns. Shoot real guns. Or buy the 22 LR version of your gun

Next build a 22lr bolt action AR 💪 lol

Dedicated 22lr AR’s are like 400bucks

M&P sports were on sale for 360 yesterday

Would the kali key that turns a 556 AR into a bolt gun work on the CMMG 22lr bolt🧐

Uhhh maybe?

Yea I want to buy the 22lr SW to be a fun silencer host

My dad had one of those with a silencerco on it, sweet way to train

Depends on who you're playing with. Pickup games can teach you a few things about aggression of action but I've had a few private games under instruction of a couple of rangers and that was something else

But yeah I think i might go with a bolt gun and occasionally upgrade it. I'm not exactly made of money, but i want something serviceable that will fit my purpose

If you already have a fighting rifle, that seems like a reasonable decision

Oh wait I know you do

Yeah I've got my 11.5 ultra tough doorkicker and 16" lightweight recce build

I think tikkas are nicer than Remington’s out of the box, but the aftermarket and gunsmithing support is something to consider

What’s your budget

Definitely considering upgrades down the road. Going out and dropping several thousand isn't in the budget, but grabbing a high quality barrel or other component every month or two is doable

On a budget I’ve heard the RUGER precision rifles are decent .

Probably more spread out than that due to gunsmithing

Gotcha. I would probably get a Remington 700 5R or AAC-SD in a regular stock and upgrade from there

I've heard three rpr is good but there's not as much room for upgrading

RPRs and savage 110 tacs are nice

Howa precision is also super nice

@TacticalBeard man I want to love the RPR but I handled one and it was...underwhelming

Was it

If you want a budget bolt you can upgrade the ruger Americans have a good after market

And definitely a ton lighter than the RPR

And the new ones take AICS mags

Yeah, I mean I’ve read that they hold okay groups, but nothing particularly impressive. The bolt would bind if there was any lateral pressure

Ah kk

My american is sub moa with shitty Malaysian brass

I need to do a true accuracy test with good ammo and see if I can get it closer

I borrowed an American from my uncle for a hunting trip once, seemed like a pretty nice rifle

For 300 bucks idk if you can beat it

Savages axis IIs are nice but they don’t feel as good to me

And ruger stepped up with after market, you can get upgraded handles, bolt groups, add a different trigger if you want, barrels and stocks

Magpul and Boyd’s both make stocks for the older ones to take AICS mags and the new ones come factory with them

Mine will hit plates all day long at 600, and there are guys taking the 308 stock rugers out to 1000

I wouldn't trust those rifles for 1k shots reliably, hahaha. But 600 and less, I think they hold up.

I have an axis, I think its gen 1, price of shit has trouble ejecting

The gen 1s suck