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Citizens Liberty Organization / 🌎 Global Channels / 🔫the-armory [part 3]

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GRANITE
(id: 701205727355600917)

04 May 2020 15:14

Yea I was just about to say Tikka lol

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GRANITE
(id: 701205727355600917)

04 May 2020 15:15

But I haven’t heard of Remington having bad QC. I got mine prob 4 years ago now.

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GRANITE
(id: 701205727355600917)

04 May 2020 15:16

I got it off armslist and it performed perfectly

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GRANITE
(id: 701205727355600917)

04 May 2020 15:17

I’ve also have the savage axis I

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GRANITE
(id: 701205727355600917)

04 May 2020 15:17

II*

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GRANITE
(id: 701205727355600917)

04 May 2020 15:17

I loved that thing

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squidsoup0
(id: 605893030230229002)

04 May 2020 16:06

@Confused Get a tikka

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squidsoup0
(id: 605893030230229002)

04 May 2020 16:07

or one of the savage chassis bolt actions, theyre good deals. Or the ruger RPR.

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squidsoup0
(id: 605893030230229002)

04 May 2020 16:08

I got a savage 10 fcp-sr for like $450 and it shoots sub moa easily with hand loads. But the bolt isnt the smoothest.

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

04 May 2020 16:17

That’s all solid advice. Essentially the deal is that you can build an AR10 and bolt gun to be equally accurate, but that AR10 will be 2-3 times as expensive as the bolt gun

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

04 May 2020 16:31

It kinda seems like if I dump several grand into building an ar10, i can get it down to maybe 0.5moa or a little lower, but many bolt guns do that off the shelf and only get more accurate from there

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

04 May 2020 16:37

I’ve had gas guns at or under .5 MOA, and I’ve had bolt guns under .25 MOA. Granted this is with hand loads developed for the barrel. Question is, can you shoot well enough to tell the difference?

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Abe Clark
(id: 705513698999140464)

04 May 2020 16:41

Obviously

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TacticalBeard
(id: 188364925398286336)

04 May 2020 16:43

“ I can shoot .25 MOA all day dude I’m such a good shot” Just straps his guns into a fucking rig that dose everything for him but pull the trigger

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

04 May 2020 16:46

I can shoot very accurately with a carbine, but I'll be seeking out classes for longer range stuff. Apparently there's a guy in state who owns a mile long range and has relatively inexpensive classes with good reviews.

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TacticalBeard
(id: 188364925398286336)

04 May 2020 16:47

Nice

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

04 May 2020 16:47

At around 6 years old I was plinking golf balls from 200 yards. I'm almost 25 now

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Abe Clark
(id: 705513698999140464)

04 May 2020 16:47

What if you’ve never shot a rifle before

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Abe Clark
(id: 705513698999140464)

04 May 2020 16:48

Is it automatically.25 MOA?

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Abe Clark
(id: 705513698999140464)

04 May 2020 16:48

😂

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TacticalBeard
(id: 188364925398286336)

04 May 2020 16:48

Then technically you have a perfect 0.00 MOA aim

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Abe Clark
(id: 705513698999140464)

04 May 2020 16:48

Fuckin a

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Abe Clark
(id: 705513698999140464)

04 May 2020 16:48

Bow down

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

04 May 2020 16:49

Can't miss if you never shoot your shot 👌

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

04 May 2020 16:50

lol imagine not knowing the difference between measuring inherent mechanic accuracy and field shooting

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

04 May 2020 16:54

My goal is essentially to have a rifle that will hit a human sized target (say 8 inches) with enough power to put it down at at least 1,000 yards if I do my part, while still being capable of being carried comfortably. Must be mag fed, highly reliable, and shoot a caliber that's either common or easy to reload. Right now I'm looking at 6.5 creedmoor, I just don't know much about bolt brands.

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

04 May 2020 16:55

Can't be magnum calibers as the range I'll likely be learning at doesn't allow them, they'll damage the targets

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

04 May 2020 16:56

Any tips on how to practice shooting and not break the bank lol

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

04 May 2020 17:00

If you're practicing within 25 yards, honestly airsoft is a good training supplement if used correctly. Mainly for stuff like dry fire drills, active shooter scenario training, and switching targets. Extremely cheap to fire compared to bullets, but you absolutely must train with real firearms too.

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

04 May 2020 17:02

Airsoft is great to practice team movements and firing together without risking shooting each other. And it can be good excersize too. Of course, like Confused said. You need to shoot and train with your actual rifle too.

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

04 May 2020 17:02

Hmm actually this place doesn't mention magnum calibers but i know a lot of places don't allow them on steel

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

04 May 2020 17:04

Dry fire @[CA] SoyBoi

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

04 May 2020 17:04

MSP has some pointers on it

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

04 May 2020 17:05

@Confused when someone actually has goals and a requirement for their build 😍

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Abe Clark
(id: 705513698999140464)

04 May 2020 17:06

They actually have really nice blowback airsoft gums

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Abe Clark
(id: 705513698999140464)

04 May 2020 17:07

Electric blowback is decent but GBB is realistic as fuck apparently

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Abe Clark
(id: 705513698999140464)

04 May 2020 17:07

I have a couple GBB pistols and they’re amazing

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Catman
(id: 439587607220060161)

04 May 2020 17:12

One shot drills are great for reloads since you only shoot one bullet between magazine changes

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

04 May 2020 17:12

I wanna try paintball for more active training

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

04 May 2020 17:12

Dry fire as well as live fire obviously

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Catman
(id: 439587607220060161)

04 May 2020 17:14

Even just holding position or practicing getting the rifle into position doesn't require shooting.

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

04 May 2020 17:14

I start all builds with a purpose. It sorta comes with my maximizer nature. Even the grip on an ar has to be hand selected

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baconreclaimer
(id: 426218796077023237)

04 May 2020 17:15

Air soft gets you more lifelike manual of arms training but Jfc air shit culture is trash

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

04 May 2020 17:15

Paintball is dying but airsoft has guns that feel and manipulate exactly the same as real guns

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baconreclaimer
(id: 426218796077023237)

04 May 2020 17:15

Paintball is a lot more chill in my experience

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baconreclaimer
(id: 426218796077023237)

04 May 2020 17:15

You can still practice tactics the manual of arms is just different

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baconreclaimer
(id: 426218796077023237)

04 May 2020 17:15

And what’s up my fellow okie

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

04 May 2020 17:17

Just dry fire your actual guns sheesh

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baconreclaimer
(id: 426218796077023237)

04 May 2020 17:18

I can’t do that pointing at other people though

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baconreclaimer
(id: 426218796077023237)

04 May 2020 17:18

You get weird looks and the cops show up

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

04 May 2020 17:18

Also yeah some bad apples, usually little kids or people who's entire personality is that they "were gonna join the army but..."

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baconreclaimer
(id: 426218796077023237)

04 May 2020 17:18

^

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

04 May 2020 17:18

@Confused IMO, you’ve got 3 options for that build Buy a semi-high tier AR Buy a mid tier AR and accurize it Buy a middish tier bolt gun

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baconreclaimer
(id: 426218796077023237)

04 May 2020 17:18

The try hard kids I can handle because they are just edge lords

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baconreclaimer
(id: 426218796077023237)

04 May 2020 17:19

It’s the grown men who “I woulda been a ranger had I passed my PT test” that take it way to seriously

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

04 May 2020 17:19

Most of the kids are actually okay though. Their aggression in play will really throw you for a loop if you're used to playing cautious and only taking shots when you know you'll hit

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

04 May 2020 17:20

You'll be bunkered up then suddenly there's a tiny travis haley sprinting at you while putting 5 rounds in your chest

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

04 May 2020 17:21

airsoft *stuff* can be good for training. Going and playing airsoft is not

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

04 May 2020 17:21

If needed to head out with gear, you can practically carry just a rifle and pistol on you huh

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

04 May 2020 17:21

Hurts my heart not to bring the rest of the goods

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TacticalBeard
(id: 188364925398286336)

04 May 2020 17:21

Dry fire real guns. Shoot real guns. Or buy the 22 LR version of your gun

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

04 May 2020 17:22

Next build a 22lr bolt action AR 💪 lol

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

04 May 2020 17:22

Dedicated 22lr AR’s are like 400bucks

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baconreclaimer
(id: 426218796077023237)

04 May 2020 17:23

M&P sports were on sale for 360 yesterday

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TacticalBeard
(id: 188364925398286336)

04 May 2020 17:23 edited: 2020-05-04T17:24:00.684+00:00

Would the kali key that turns a 556 AR into a bolt gun work on the CMMG 22lr bolt🧐

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

04 May 2020 17:23

Uhhh maybe?

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TacticalBeard
(id: 188364925398286336)

04 May 2020 17:24

Yea I want to buy the 22lr SW to be a fun silencer host

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

04 May 2020 17:25

My dad had one of those with a silencerco on it, sweet way to train

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

04 May 2020 17:25

Depends on who you're playing with. Pickup games can teach you a few things about aggression of action but I've had a few private games under instruction of a couple of rangers and that was something else

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

04 May 2020 17:27

But yeah I think i might go with a bolt gun and occasionally upgrade it. I'm not exactly made of money, but i want something serviceable that will fit my purpose

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

04 May 2020 17:27

If you already have a fighting rifle, that seems like a reasonable decision

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

04 May 2020 17:28

Oh wait I know you do

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

04 May 2020 17:28

Yeah I've got my 11.5 ultra tough doorkicker and 16" lightweight recce build

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

04 May 2020 17:29

I think tikkas are nicer than Remington’s out of the box, but the aftermarket and gunsmithing support is something to consider

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baconreclaimer
(id: 426218796077023237)

04 May 2020 17:30

What’s your budget

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

04 May 2020 17:31

Definitely considering upgrades down the road. Going out and dropping several thousand isn't in the budget, but grabbing a high quality barrel or other component every month or two is doable

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TacticalBeard
(id: 188364925398286336)

04 May 2020 17:32

On a budget I’ve heard the RUGER precision rifles are decent .

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

04 May 2020 17:32

Probably more spread out than that due to gunsmithing

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

04 May 2020 17:32

Gotcha. I would probably get a Remington 700 5R or AAC-SD in a regular stock and upgrade from there

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

04 May 2020 17:32

I've heard three rpr is good but there's not as much room for upgrading

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baconreclaimer
(id: 426218796077023237)

04 May 2020 17:32

RPRs and savage 110 tacs are nice

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baconreclaimer
(id: 426218796077023237)

04 May 2020 17:32

Howa precision is also super nice

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

04 May 2020 17:32

@TacticalBeard man I want to love the RPR but I handled one and it was...underwhelming

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TacticalBeard
(id: 188364925398286336)

04 May 2020 17:32

Was it

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baconreclaimer
(id: 426218796077023237)

04 May 2020 17:33

If you want a budget bolt you can upgrade the ruger Americans have a good after market

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baconreclaimer
(id: 426218796077023237)

04 May 2020 17:33

And definitely a ton lighter than the RPR

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baconreclaimer
(id: 426218796077023237)

04 May 2020 17:33

And the new ones take AICS mags

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

04 May 2020 17:33

Yeah, I mean I’ve read that they hold okay groups, but nothing particularly impressive. The bolt would bind if there was any lateral pressure

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TacticalBeard
(id: 188364925398286336)

04 May 2020 17:34

Ah kk

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baconreclaimer
(id: 426218796077023237)

04 May 2020 17:34

My american is sub moa with shitty Malaysian brass

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baconreclaimer
(id: 426218796077023237)

04 May 2020 17:34

I need to do a true accuracy test with good ammo and see if I can get it closer

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

04 May 2020 17:35

I borrowed an American from my uncle for a hunting trip once, seemed like a pretty nice rifle

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baconreclaimer
(id: 426218796077023237)

04 May 2020 17:35

For 300 bucks idk if you can beat it

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baconreclaimer
(id: 426218796077023237)

04 May 2020 17:35

Savages axis IIs are nice but they don’t feel as good to me

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baconreclaimer
(id: 426218796077023237)

04 May 2020 17:36

And ruger stepped up with after market, you can get upgraded handles, bolt groups, add a different trigger if you want, barrels and stocks

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baconreclaimer
(id: 426218796077023237)

04 May 2020 17:36

Magpul and Boyd’s both make stocks for the older ones to take AICS mags and the new ones come factory with them

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baconreclaimer
(id: 426218796077023237)

04 May 2020 17:37 edited: 2020-05-04T17:37:37.83+00:00

Mine will hit plates all day long at 600, and there are guys taking the 308 stock rugers out to 1000

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

04 May 2020 17:39

I wouldn't trust those rifles for 1k shots reliably, hahaha. But 600 and less, I think they hold up.

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

04 May 2020 17:39

I have an axis, I think its gen 1, price of shit has trouble ejecting

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baconreclaimer
(id: 426218796077023237)

04 May 2020 17:39

The gen 1s suck

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