29 May 2020 05:30
nice thanks man
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nice thanks man
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@Z3R0 could you post a list of what you carry
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@Frostbite yeah my kit is probably bigger than alot but i have 2 CAT tqts 1 chest seal 1 14 gauge decompression needle 1 roll of battle wrap(basically plastic wrap) 1 battle bandage( similar to an Israeli bandage) 1 roll of compressed gauze 2 regular rolls of bulky gauze 1 pack of celox( hemostatic agent) coated gauze for packing wounds 1 vaseline gauze 5 regular 4x4 gauze pads 1 5x9 abd pad 3 non stick 4x4 gauze pads 1 nasopharyngeal airway with lube size 28 F 3 oropharyngeal airways sizes 3-5 1 10x12 tegraderm dressing 1 small sharpie 1 pair of trauma shears 1 pen light 1 small Gerber zipper knife 1 eye pad/covering Multiple pairs of nitrile gloves Multiple alcohol prep pads/quick clean hand wipes Extra set of ear plugs Some triple anti biotic ointment Some insect sting relief 3-4 butterfly knuckle bandages Multiple regular bandages.
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It also wouldn’t hurt to have a roll of tape as well. I’m going to add that in mine as we speak.
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@Frostbite just realized I tagged the wrong guy sorry man lol.
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@GRANITE Accidentally tagged someone else, but my kit list is posted above.
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Hell yea thanks man
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@Z3R0 is thay bag pretty full with all that?
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@countrygirl yeah, it’s definitely full. However not to the point it’s stressing the zippers.
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It’s pretty bulky so if I’m wearing a carrier I just usually put this on my belt.
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I need to downsize and put together something more portable
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I have fully stocked army issue med pack. And a duffle
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I had a way smaller one, but I figured if I ever legit needed to use it would need to be able to handle multiple casualties.
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This is about as big as I want to get, if it needs to be bigger I’ll get a backpack instead.
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The med pack is severely outdated,
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The duffle is less emergency oriented, iv, fluids, syringes, suture kits
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my BP cuff and stethoscope
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I have a bigger stocked first in bag I have from when an ambulance service I worked for upgraded, but that stays in my house or the car on road trips.
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I want one of those, way better than the duffel I got crammed with stuff
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Almost went back to school for EMT, probably should have
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@countrygirl it’s a pretty easy course, the pay isn’t the best though. You could also take a stop the bleed course or TCCC
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@Z3R0 already have CMS & phlebotomy
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Cma pay is crap, I heard met makes more $
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Emt* good god this autocorrect
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Besides, it would have to be more fun than hanging around a Drs office all day.
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@countrygirl fair enough
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Emt I make 16.50 doing 911
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@Iceman alot of it depends on the area you’re in. I made less than that when I lived in the southern part of Illinois working as a paramedic.
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That is also true
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Haha working rate for our medics start at like 22-26$
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If tampons are a no go what about pads 🤔
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@[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
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Well I guess my 6ft roll of gauze should do
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On a serious note I’m gonna PM you my bag, lmk if theirs more I should add to it @[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
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Private EMS bag, good mix of trauma and airway control
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if you're packing a wound, hemostatic gauze is the best iirc
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Just be sure you leave a decent way to get it out lol.
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Anyone have any experience with LINE2design medical suplies?
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Opinions? Effective or nah?
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This is a good site for knowledge and training seminars
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So put together my ifak. Two Israeli bandage 1 cat (1 on plate carrier as well) 2 packs of quick clot, 2 rolls of compression gauze 4, 4x4 combat gauze pads Pair of sheers. Currently needing chest seals, but what else should i include.
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I much prefer the H style pressure dressings over the isreali, but those are fine too. Latex gloves Duct tape, medical tape, something like that to secure bandages NPA
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I forgot i got medical tape as well. I have gloves too. Over locked those, my local medical store didnt have h style in stock but had plenty of Israelis.
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If you plan on providing medical attention to protesters, make sure you are wearing a red cross so you can be identified as a medic. There has been issue with medics being fired upon while providing medical attention. This does not violate the Geneva Convention Article 3 or Additional Article II of 1977 unless you are wearing a red cross emblem.
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@[OK]Vanpoon NPA, Tape, gloves but you can also use a pouch on your duty belt for that. Have 2 sets of chest seals, for 2 holes one in one out. I would also have an OPA as well as in some cases it may be unwise to use an npa with massive facial trauma. Always remember abc's. AIRWAY BREATHINH, CIRCULATION
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@Landfill thank you
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@[OK]Vanpoon no problem bro. Also good idea to have a larger trauma bag. With more trauma dressing, 5x9's 4x4's more tq's more combat gauze more H bandages more Israeli bandages and more chest deals saline or steril water, 2,4 and 6 inch kling gauze wraps, a full kit of airway afjuncts, OPA/NPA heat packs, maybe a blood pressure cuff and a good quality stethoscope like the Littman Cardiology IV. That bag should be for multi casualties and should have with to treat atleast your size group. Never cheap out on equipment that can save your life NAR CAT's are as far as i know the only TCCC approved tq's on the market. Also stay away from ALS equipment, Thoracic Needle Decompression, IV sets ET kits Cricothyrotomy kits unless you've been trained in their use indications and contraindications in respect to traumatic injuries. You can very well do more harm then good to the patient if you don't know what your doing EDIT: Also have a few Cervicle Spine Collars as well. C-Spine stabilization is incredibly important, any injury involving the neck and head or any distracting injury Ie. They don't know if their neck hurts because their femur is sticking out of their leg ect should also have spinal stabilizing considered as early in the assessment as possible
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So this would be the ideal TQ?
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I just dropped my knife Tip-first on my big toe
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@poorwithagat correct but NAR is the Original and trademarked CAT TQ. Go either to their website or i can refer you a site to get the actual stuff that's alot of knock off
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A medic speaking up about police opening fire on her while she was trying to hold a dude's brains in https://vm.tiktok.com/EX97WS/
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jesus motherfucking christ
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@Potatoes O'Reilly no you have to pay for it, typically atleast 400
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Do your research before paying for one, medicine in bad places is a great one, i did mine through them but they are 100% thin blue line supporters. How ever their experience is emense between all of them
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Are scrunched up chest seals still useable?
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@Cannibal1-1 yeah those should still be good,
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Once the integrity of the package is good they should be fine. I hate folding mine though
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@PandaMedic (友好的熊猫) same but it's the only way they fit in the ifac i have
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Yeah most, unless they’re longer have trouble fitting a hyfin or the like
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if you're poor and unable to get certain supplies (like gauze and wound packing) Menstrual pads and Tampons work well as wound coverings. Pads for scrapes, cuts, etc. and Tampons for penetrating wounds like gunshots and stabs. you can secure them with tape. for more serious wounds, you can use a belt (or multiple belts) to cut off circulation as a tourniquet.
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@W E A R E E L M O stop
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why bad elmo
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Dying of blood loss isn't worth saving 12 dollars
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I'm not saying you should replace them with these things, but they are a good thing if you're in the middle of something without your med bag.
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or just cant get them in general
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it's a lot easier to find tampons and pads than it is to find wound packing, especially if there's rampant looting.
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There have been enough anti-tampon dissertations written in this chat to fill a small library, but I'm not an EMT or anything like that so I can leave the specifics to them. Obviously something is better than nothing, but suggesting tampons and pads is like suggesting you carry some .380 as a backup if you run out of 9mm. Just stock up on the stuff that actually works
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what do you suggest instead of tampons, if you have no access to proper medical supplies?
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I suggest accessing some proper medical supplies for yourself and everyone you care about as soon as possible and keeping them in every vehicle and every BOB/battle belt/plate carrier setup you've got
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We're not in a crisis right now, so make it snappy
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I meant in a situation where you have run out, or did not prepare
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Don't not prepare
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thats not helpful dude
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Rip your shirt apart and use that
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All a tampon does is stop a wound from making a mess
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You need PRESSURE to stop a bleed, especially an arterial bleed. It's way more pressure than an expanding tampon would give
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It's more pressure than most people think. Like most of your body weight in your finger tips while you stuff gauze in the wound
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yeah, of course. arterial bleeds can spray like a gardenhose. pressure's insane.
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I've got all I need for now except chest seals. shit tons of Ace bandage and gauze from my grandma's stash for her diabetic foot problems. quick clot & CPR face protectors from my sister who's a nurse.
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Quick clot powder or gauze? Powder is absolutely no go on any thoracic injury. Be careful with that
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Chest seal can be easily improvised with some duct tape and saran wrap, it's also good for ocvlusive dressings in large arteries like the carotid, to avoid air embolism through the wound
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I wouldn't use ace bandage to hold gauze in a heavy bleed, it's too stretchy and won't hold pressure over time well enough to keep the bleed packed, use regular gauze instead, and you can't see through ace bandage which makes reassessment hard
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quick clot powder. we mostly use the ace bandage to hold sprains and stuff.
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I think we also have the quick clot gauze.
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I prefer the gauze it's what we carried on the trucks. Powder is falling out of favor quickly because it causes chemical burns inside the wound from the powder reactions
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