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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 02:45

And I understand it may be expensive, but here’s a question: would you rather spend less on life saving equipment and have a chance of failure, or spend a little more and have no failure?

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[TX]YimYam
(id: 652657530786545755)

28 Apr 2020 02:51

I know you are %100 right but my logic was one TQ or two kit's for the wife and I

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 02:52

I gotcha bud.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 02:55

If anyone has any medical questions feel free to ask.

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ToɳTo Tuck
(id: 510199786675240961)

28 Apr 2020 03:26

Join your local volunteer fire department, most will send you through basic first responder, as well as give you a jump bag. 🙂

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 03:26

That’s true.

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ToɳTo Tuck
(id: 510199786675240961)

28 Apr 2020 03:26

I got all kinds of goodies.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 03:26

If you have access and the funds, try to get an EMT-B class under your belt.

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ToɳTo Tuck
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28 Apr 2020 03:27

@[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/ definitely in the works hopefully this year.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 03:27

I haven’t taken any classes if I’m honest. I just screw around with the paramedics I know and learn everything from them.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 03:27

I learn from them and combat medics.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 03:27

Certain things you learn in EMT and Paramedic are not applicable to combat medicine, however. Such as push dose pressors.

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ToɳTo Tuck
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28 Apr 2020 03:28

Yeah I’m a career fire fighter, as well as volunteer, I live in a small rural part of Georgia so I work closely with our medics and I’ve learned more on scene from them than any class.

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ToɳTo Tuck
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28 Apr 2020 03:28

@[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/ exactly.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 03:28

I talk with the medics around me pretty often.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 03:28

Because I’m bored, let’s go over with push dose pressors aren’t applicable for combat medicine.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 03:29

The main reason is they bust clots.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 03:29

They may increase heart rate and pulse strength, but in the process, they will break blood clots and make hemorrhage worse.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 03:30

And unlike typical EMS, combat doesn’t usually have blood on hand.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 03:30

Which means that any blood lost is irreplaceable.

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ToɳTo Tuck
(id: 510199786675240961)

28 Apr 2020 03:30

You’re damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 03:30

And because blood is the life force of the casualty, breaking clots and causing hemorrhage is a no-go.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 03:31

IV/IO are amazing if you can do it.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 03:31

The order of effectiveness for IV stuff is this:

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ToɳTo Tuck
(id: 510199786675240961)

28 Apr 2020 03:31

Well if they have a pulse you just have to be careful it’ll definitely be worse.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 03:31

Fresh whole blood, blood products, colloids, crystalloids.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 03:32

That’s the order that you will want.

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ToɳTo Tuck
(id: 510199786675240961)

28 Apr 2020 03:32

epinephrine wise anyway

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 03:32

Hetastarch and Hextend are nice. TXA as well.

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ToɳTo Tuck
(id: 510199786675240961)

28 Apr 2020 03:33

Hetastarch definitely

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 03:33

> epinephrine wise anyway @ToɳTo Tuck By all means. Works well to increase blood pressure but breaks clots.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 03:33

TXA is very effective for internal bleeding, other than the ~45 minute wait for it to kick in.

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ToɳTo Tuck
(id: 510199786675240961)

28 Apr 2020 03:33

I’ve never been around any TXA

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ToɳTo Tuck
(id: 510199786675240961)

28 Apr 2020 03:33

Not familiar at all with it

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 03:34

Transexamic Acid

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ToɳTo Tuck
(id: 510199786675240961)

28 Apr 2020 03:34

Lysine

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ToɳTo Tuck
(id: 510199786675240961)

28 Apr 2020 03:34

I think I know what it is

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ToɳTo Tuck
(id: 510199786675240961)

28 Apr 2020 03:34

But haven’t seen it used

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ToɳTo Tuck
(id: 510199786675240961)

28 Apr 2020 03:34

Definitely gonna research

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ToɳTo Tuck
(id: 510199786675240961)

28 Apr 2020 03:34

Thanks 🙂

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 03:34

Pretty sure it’s a colloid

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 03:35

I haven’t went on any calls so I haven’t either. *But* talking to both combat medics and paramedics, it’s wonderful stuff.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 03:35

Also, DSI > RSI

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ToɳTo Tuck
(id: 510199786675240961)

28 Apr 2020 03:35

Yeah I’m trying to think if it’s named something else?

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 03:35

I’m not sure.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 03:36

Another thing: KETAMINE IS AMAZING

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PandaMedic (友好的熊猫)
(id: 534251671908515840)

28 Apr 2020 05:31

TXA is awesome, Ketamine is more betterer. I don’t give a fuck what anyone says, it causes respiratory depression 😂 great for keeping BP from shitting and if given with Benzos helps the emergency phenomenon.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:32

I can see how it would cause respiratory depression

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PandaMedic (友好的熊猫)
(id: 534251671908515840)

28 Apr 2020 05:32

Used Ket <20 times. Worked like a champ though

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:32

Especially when you’re putting someone in a whole different world

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:32

Had a medic tell me about one time having to use ketamine because of behavior

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:32

Guy was threatening the medic

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PandaMedic (友好的熊猫)
(id: 534251671908515840)

28 Apr 2020 05:32

Yeah i gave it to one guy with a GSW to the shoulder, he was screaming about pain and once he was secure he went deep in the K hole.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:33

He put some Ket in that guys system IM, and in like 1 minute he was in a whole different world

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:33

I’m so fucking glad there are guys here to talk medical with

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:33

None of my other servers have guys interested

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PandaMedic (友好的熊猫)
(id: 534251671908515840)

28 Apr 2020 05:35

Snapped out of it as we were pulling i to the ER, looked at me and said ‘God??’ I said no man other end. He said ‘Jesus christ’ and just starred at the roof of the ambulance, after that everyone who got Special K, got 2 of versed. My old service had protocols for ketamine for excited delirium.

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PandaMedic (友好的熊猫)
(id: 534251671908515840)

28 Apr 2020 05:35

Yeah its hard to find folks who give half a fuck about basic care let alone combat care/advanced shit.

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PandaMedic (友好的熊猫)
(id: 534251671908515840)

28 Apr 2020 05:38

I gave a guy 500mg IM one night. Head on MVA. Ejections, fatalities in the vehicle. It was really cold, and i guess it sat in the muscle until he warmed up a little. He was quiet in the ER for several hours lol he had multiple lower extremity fractures so he was in deep space with the mormons for the poking and prodding and xrays

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:40

Holy hell

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PandaMedic (友好的熊猫)
(id: 534251671908515840)

28 Apr 2020 05:40

Yeah got stories for days about weird shit lol

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:40

The guy I was just referring to said “IM GONNA FIGHT IT OFF, THE MEDICINE ISNT GONNA HURT ME” and then immediately went into that different place

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:40

He came back to Earth and the medic said “I thought you were gonna fight it off?”

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:41

I’ve heard about some fucked up shit.

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PandaMedic (友好的熊猫)
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28 Apr 2020 05:41

Lol

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PandaMedic (友好的熊猫)
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28 Apr 2020 05:42

Yeah i usually have people count back from 10, he said 10 and then stopped breathing

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:42

I don’t actually do EMS, I just know quite a bit. Combat medicine is more my stuff. I do know what MVAs and everything are though. Volunteer firefighter.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:42

I remember being put under once and they did that.

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PandaMedic (友好的熊猫)
(id: 534251671908515840)

28 Apr 2020 05:43

Yeah. I enjoy combat medicine. Id take that over some idiot with a BGl of 800 because those donuts are just so tasty

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PandaMedic (友好的熊猫)
(id: 534251671908515840)

28 Apr 2020 05:43

I feel dizzy, yeah because you weigh 400lbs and are going blind

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PandaMedic (友好的熊猫)
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28 Apr 2020 05:43

Sorry, burned out lol

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:43

On god

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:43

EMS can see fucked shit tho

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:43

Medic I know

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:43

Responded to a real bad one

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:44

Guy was an alcoholic, had esophageal “varrasies?” I don’t know how to spell it anymore damnit.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:45

Essentially, he wasn’t doing so hot one night but his friend just thought he was drunk. Woke up the next morning, called, no answer. Sent police on a wellness check.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:45

Medic got called in

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:45

He knew it was bad the second he saw the firefighters face.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:46

A “holy fuck what do we do” kinda face

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:46

He walks in and follows a gargling sound to the guy in the bedroom

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:46

So turns out

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:46

Guy had a stroke, the esophageal shit busted, got into his stomach, and made him throw up, and he was drowning in his own blood and vomit

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:47

* After having a stroke

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:47

Medic just cleared what he could

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PandaMedic (友好的熊猫)
(id: 534251671908515840)

28 Apr 2020 05:47

esophageal varices... fucking sends shivers down my spine lol

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:47

Was gonna intubate but didn’t wanna make the esophageal varices worse.

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PandaMedic (友好的熊猫)
(id: 534251671908515840)

28 Apr 2020 05:48

Varicose veins in your esophagus basically, get fat and full of blood then they explode. Ive had pts with them, my go to is RSI and TXA and haul ass

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:48

So he bagged that bitch up till oximetry was above 90 and just went enroute to hospital.

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PandaMedic (友好的熊猫)
(id: 534251671908515840)

28 Apr 2020 05:48

Keep systolic at or around 90 and you’re gtg

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:48

Yeah I know what it is

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:48

Fucking oof

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:50

You a paramedic?

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PandaMedic (友好的熊猫)
(id: 534251671908515840)

28 Apr 2020 05:52

Yes Sir

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PandaMedic (友好的熊猫)
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28 Apr 2020 05:52

Unfortunately lol

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:52

I don’t have any certs at all

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:52

I just know stuff

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PandaMedic (友好的熊猫)
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28 Apr 2020 05:53

🤷🏻‍♂️ive seen folks with all the certs in the world be absolute shit providers. Mindset is everythinng

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:53

True

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

28 Apr 2020 05:53

Was with that paramedic and he was quizzing an EMT because he was about to get on with Acadian

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