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Buy 3 or 4 pairs of the cheap stainless ones.

They do the job, that’s all that should matter.

I've never used a ratcheting tq yet. I'm not a fan of the constricting band ones that came out not terribly long ago. My understanding is they were proven ineffective anyway.

Those are RATS TQs.

And yes, they were proven ineffective and possibly dangerous.

They can cause nerve damage.

The standards are the SOFT-T

And the CAT

Only CoTCCC recommended tourniquets should be used.

The RATS is not CoTCCC recommended.

Shouldn't really even be sold imo but that's just me.

I agree.

Considering the possibility of nerve damage, it’s sad.

The whole nerve damage is kinda offset by the fact they don't work

If it doesn't accomplish the goal AND makes it worse then we'll.

Well.

Kinda rip.

Anyways. Was just curious.

Anytime. If you want to PM me and talk or ask questions feel free.

Just wanted to know who I was dealing with.

Well, now you do.

@[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/ what does Tccc test for? I noticed the updated their list last year. Do they get a bunch of random ones or do they need to be submitted for testing like with DOJ armor.

It’s not a test.

They try a bunch out in the field if they think it shows promise.

If it holds up and does not have any negative effects on casualties for the most part, it’s a pass.

Do they have a list of failures?

I’m not sure.

The CoTCCC board members are active in the community, I can’t remember their names off the top of my head but you could literally just ask them

True.

Hi, I'm an RN and am looking into getting extra classes, how do you all feel about the American red Cross first aid for severe bleeding. It's on sale and doesn't seem like a huge time commitment so I can do it online.

i read somewhere that modern superglue was developed by the US military to seal wounds in Vietnam, im pretty intermediate with first aid so i would consider myself proficient, but no expert. would modern superglue be a practical thing in a first aid kit for sealing wounds or would it be something that by today's standards would be considered a last resort? (i mean cyanoacrylate)

@Young Spaghetti it would be decent information.

@Mike Nolan theres still a medical glue used to seal some stuff, seen it used a few times. as for if its super glue I dont know and it wouldn't really be a replacement for stitches if you're asking.

@Young Spaghetti I would look for a stop the bleed class of some sort to at least get some hands on. I dont know what area you're in but if you happen to be nearish to a medical college sometimes they have a class for relatively cheap to learn advanced skills. For example, for $150 theres a college near me that lets you practice surgical crics on cadavers.

Community Colleges also tend to have classes.

Howdy y'all

This be my place lol

And superglue yes

Stop the bleeding first. If the wound is actively bleeding you can't do shit. Pressure! Pressure! Pressure!

If the bleeding is controlled and suture material is not availability, pour all the crazy glue you can in that go and push the flesh together

*available *ho

If the bleeding is by any means hemorrhagic, PACK THAT SHIT WITH HEMOSTATIC GAUZE

Every second of hemorrhagic bleeding is a diminished chance of survival after prehospital care

Super glue is for superficial wounds that need help, just like sutures.

You can do all the correct interventions and be dummy slow at it and your patient will still die because of the lowered chance of survival from traumatic injuries

I thought any bleeding is hemorrhagic?

I was EMT-I but I let it go

TQs that are thin, like the RATs, can cause nerve damage upon usage.

> If the bleeding is by any means hemorrhagic, PACK THAT SHIT WITH HEMOSTATIC GAUZE @RaginMedic23 TQ any wounds that are able to be TQed. Any others, such as at junctions, should be packed and then wrapped with a pressure dressing.

> If the bleeding is by any means hemorrhagic, PACK THAT SHIT WITH HEMOSTATIC GAUZE @RaginMedic23 Hemorrhage is bleeding. Did you mean arterial bleeding?

Yes. I was taught arterial bleeding as traumatic hemorrhage

Raginmedic have you asked for a role yet?

I have not

@Landfill EMT?

Again who here is a Practicing medic?

I’m not certified in anything but I know a thing or two.

What do yalp mean by "pack" the junctions

Just pressure bandage? Or??

@[CA] SoyBoi pack it with hemostatic gauze

Hemostatic gauze and then wrap.

I was a combat medic in the army and am trained on TC3, prolonged field care, field sanitation, disease prevention, fluid resuscitation and some invase interventions as well as pharmacology

18D?

Or just a dedicated 68W?

68W who was blessed enough to sit through some whiskey one training and also held the role of utilizing higher levels of care in the field. Had a good PA and spent all my time on the line with both army and the marines

I see a lot of conversation in here about emergency medical but not a whole lot about what happens after the X, so it is my duty to introduce it to y'all. Since it's a broad topic, I'll start simply with the next thing, evacuation

Well, yes, after CUF and TFC is EVC, but during the situation that we may find ourselves in, EVAC will be few and far between.

I’m attempting to set up some sort of EVAC guideline/SOP for the guys I plan on helping.

> Well, yes, after CUF and TFC is EVC, but during the situation that we may find ourselves in, EVAC will be few and far between. @[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/ I have to disagree with you there. There is TACEVAC and CASEVAC

We'll most likely use TACEVAC. The difference between the two is that CASEVAC is a standard medical platform and TACEVAC is anything that moves

Any scenario we find ourselves in that requires the utilization of TC3 should also include immediately breaking contact. Because of that, like you said, evac sops need to be established as well as a well planned evac route

You have 15 minutes to engage and gtfo anyway. Shoot and scoot

My primary problem is not the availability of TASEVAC, it’s simply the unavailability of higher echelons of care for us to resort to. Sure, we can get them to a safe house, but we will not be able to treat much surgically.

Yes, EVAC routes need to be planned prior to every mission to ensure medical care can be given easily and that we know the plan when casualties are present.

But what about access to surgical intervention?

Hospitals will treat regardless of combatant status

Hippocratic oath baby

@[MS]WebMDemt your username is hilarious 😂 but hospitals will also bring cops, which should be considered

@Crye Salesman that is true but you’d be surprised how many people in healthcare are ready to boog. Field hospitals/safe houses are a high potential if it comes that far

Hospitals and the feds will work together

Safe houses in my opinion are a good choice.

The feds plan to ignore Geneva con as well

But finding personnel who know surgical procedures is another task

Facts to surgical

I know 2 or 3

Vets can also do a lot

True but getting them to help us

Logistics.

Initially taking a care point and command would be important. I cant take any of this seriously unless there's a full thought plan.

Its not only combat injuries that would take people out. Talking about combat requires total thought of care from point of contact to recovery

What about medical emergencies? This isn't only about trauma.

Agreed but the current thinking of medical care is small skirmishes stemming from protests. What you’re speaking of would be an all out civil war scenario which is highly unlikely.

Bullet holes are bullet holes. If you're going to try and take me to a vet to stitch me up after I get shot in the leg. Fat chance.

1. Pain meds. Absolutely important.

2. Antibiotics for infections

Vets have both. Ketamine is big in equine medicine. Lots of preppers stock up fish antibiotics

Okay. Yeah. Drugs have to come from somewhere. For small amounts pencil whipping works.

Deep surgical things would need more than a vet imo

surgery in general shouldn't be left to a vet, again, imo

Obviously standard emergency care is preferred but you have to think outside the box