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@[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/ How about 1 CAT for your IFAK, and a couple of Grafkettes for the cheapskates? https://www.mdsupplies.com/medical-supplies-Graham-Field-Grafkette-Tourniquet-S9KRGRWGFP.html

I want two for my IFAK.

Never see those before

I don’t honestly trust those.

They seem not much better than RATs.

Yes, the Grafs are less secure than the CATs but they will stop the bleeding as a temporary measure. They're not a CAT replacement. At Ft. Sam I learned to apply TQs high and tight on the limb first, then convert to a pressure bandage or TQ closer to the wound. Same principle applies to the Graf.

How wide are they?

Hey bois if we can hold off the big hootenanny for 4 more years I can patch you guys up as a physician

Though I’d like it to happen sooner

Like...surgery patching or?

@Benja if you only have 4 years left, you're probably good enough to work on me

@[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/ about 3/4" wide. I've still got one from my time in the guard. It wasn't my only TQ.

Yeah no

TQs with a width that small have been found to cause nerve damage.

Like I said, temporary measure.

But still, nerve damage is not good in any circumstance.

@[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/ I agree, but it's better than bleeding out.

Wouldn’t you have a good stream of CATs available as a 68W?

@[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/ I carried multiple CATs in my aid bag, yes. The Graf I wrapped around my back belt loops for easy access.

Alright.

@[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/ you’d be amazed at how bad the medical support logistics are in *some* units

I don’t know if I would

Considering how fucking stupid military is

Then again...I’ve been handing garbage bags full of medical before, or had a ammo can in front of the medical bay that you could grab fresh TQ’s from at your leisure

I want

As far as RATS goes

Ramseys are worse

The grafkette or however it was spelled (we just called them reusable tq’s) or only for starting iv’s in place of the normal rubber band style that comes in an iv start kit and for that matter you should invest in a NAR Boa

As far as hemorrhage control only CO-TCCC approved tq’s should be used. Rats cause nerve damage their only real claim to fame was portability and a false claim that they would fit on kids whereas CAT’s and others wouldn’t

I know a lot of people really love the sof-t wide, but I have a few and really just do not like them.

I prefer the sof t over the cat but only because it's what I learned on and what we carried in our trucks

They have better quality materials, yeah, but they just feel awkward. Maybes it because I’m so used to the cat tq, but nobody ever really gave me any real reason they preferred them other than “THATS WHAT SF USES” and even then,

What gets me with them is not using them on others, but myself. That and the whole “don’t grab the windlass when pulling it tight initially” like you can with a cat.

I think it honestly comes down to what you were trained with between the two

I can do one handed and send app with a sof t better than I can a cat, but again it's the only one I've really handled regularly

I definitely can not use a sof t one handed. They just feel that little bit more awkward to me, they never want to pull through tight enough for me to feel confident to start with the windlass. Always feels like there’s just that little bit too much slack.

It all comes down to practice I guess. Everytime I try to use a cat especially one handed the velcro hangs me up

https://techcrunch.com/2020/05/01/nvidias-top-scientist-develops-open-source-ventilator-that-can-be-built-with-400-in-readily-available-parts/. I saw this and it got me thinking would it be worth investing in more obscure diy medical devices as hospitals and actual medical devices might eventually become unavailable?

Keep practicing because in a real life situation that one handed tq may save your life.

Who has recommendations for IFAKs?

@Copbot1001 pre-made? Building your own? You need recommendations for medical gear or pouches or?

I’m looking at pre-made but if you have a list of basic gear for a build your own that could be helpful as well

I’m a rescue scuba diver and I’m thinking about getting a kit for emergency O2 and a basic aid kit centered around dive injuries but I could also expand it to be more versatile

I’m landlocked so I couldn’t help with dive related stuff but if you’re wanting o2 then that’s no longer an ifak.

Tourniquets buy either CAT or SOF-T wide get both vented and non vented chest seals and some impregnated gauze like quickclot

Carry some non impregnated gauze as well and some 4x4 gauze pads......North American Rescue will have practically everything you need

Check the pins in the Medical channel of the library here.

I have a complete and comprehensive IFAK list made.

Should be at the bottom of the channel list.

Really pissed I haven’t been able to practice IVs

@Mississippi boys imma practice on one of you

@[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/ nose goes

Is that how we’re gonna do it when we all train?

Last person who touches their nose has to take it?

Basically. Or they’d go first

I guess I’m finna stock up on everything

Not sure

I ain’t got the moola

Just befriend an emt/medic in your local area. We all carry shit home

but like

I don’t know any here like I did in Louisiana

What county?

@[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/

Jackson County

Oh shit I just realized I should probably be getting with you about making medical SOPs for the MS guys.

You would live in the only county that Acadian serves

I know maybe 2 people there and they ain’t helpful

Wait legit we’re the only county with Acadian?

Hey guys, who's the go to guy for pre-made ifaq and stop the bleed kits

I like Chinook Medical.

North American Rescue and Phokus both also have solutions for that.

My go-to is NAR, but I'm sure Chinook is outstanding as well.

Chinook is where I got my saline lock.

So when it comes to medical classes I’m CPR/AED cert and was gonna take the stop the bleed class then rona happened. What are some good medic classes. Gonna have to take BLS for hospital workers because I’m starting clinical soon(RN)

I would suggest EMR

EMR?

First responder basically

Then there’s EMT

EMT takes a while. I was originally going to go and get my associates degree to be a paramedic but then realized nursing is the same amount of work to earn and pay almost double. I’ll see if I can find that being taught in my area.

True.

Whos all my medics here

Emt-B

@[TX]YimYam yes same amount of time for different pay but its also a different skillet.

Skillset*

I'm lucky enough to make more than a nurse but my positions are far and few between

After my BSN I wanna get my trauma nurse cert

I have my EMT-V

B*

@[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/ got some questions about your pack setup boss.

Hit me.

Quick clot. Is it really suggested that people who may not be trained to use that. Its my understanding that both using it in the wrong places is counterproductive and using it can cause chemical burns for added problems later.

Secondly. Again just from my own experience. Trauma sheers no matter how expensive are all shit or get left everywhere. Probably better to buy in bulk and keep one or two on you rather than a "nice" set.

Thirdly, assuming we use the windlass only tqs?

Lastly. For...... combat.... situations. Has there been thought about establishing or organizing generic SOPs

I have seen ratcheting TQs but they are more in terms of cost.

Everyone should establish SOPs with their local group.

I would suggest everyone have QuikClot in their IFAK regardless of whether they use it or not.

From what I hear, chemical burns is no longer a problem.

As for trauma shears:

There is no need to buy a set of Leatherman Raptors.