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Citizens Liberty Organization / 🌎 Global Channels / 📜member-chat [part 36]

Grand pow-wow. Divisive content subject to deletion.

Sam SimpChester
(id: 500405064817573898)

17 Jun 2020 00:24

In the end there’s no point in beating each other up about the situation

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

17 Jun 2020 00:24

I mean he could be charged with things from *before* they attacked him, when he aggravated the crowd, and then *they* could get charged for continuing the attack

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Mando
(id: 430876468059570186)

17 Jun 2020 00:25

If you start something as an aggressor and then attempt to get away and then the other person goes back after you with a more lethal force and verbal threats of death the law will definitely be on the guys side that retreating

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TacticalBeard
(id: 188364925398286336)

17 Jun 2020 00:25

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TacticalBeard
(id: 188364925398286336)

17 Jun 2020 00:25

I know my laws for my state man

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

17 Jun 2020 00:25

I mean I see what you’re saying @Mando, but I don’t think everyone else might see it that way

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

17 Jun 2020 00:25

Stand your ground doesn’t apply if you’re the aggressor, and you don’t get to decide that, the courts do. @TacticalBeard

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Mando
(id: 430876468059570186)

17 Jun 2020 00:26

It's pretty clear for most people to see that, if you don't see that at all or can't even understand it then you live in a delusional life

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

17 Jun 2020 00:26

🤷🏻‍♂️ I’m just saying dude. The courts have decided much wilder things before

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

17 Jun 2020 00:26

Just because we as general gun people might think it was justified, doesn’t mean anyone else, or the law, will agree

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Mando
(id: 430876468059570186)

17 Jun 2020 00:27

Maybe he's going to be unlucky and get a very rare chance for it they just completely f*** him constitutionaly. But if he has a judge that's not a complete a****** in a semi competent lawyer a guarantee he will get off the charges

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

17 Jun 2020 00:28 edited: 2020-06-17T00:28:33.897+00:00

I'm a bit fuzzy since it's been a while since I've taken law, but I think the general requirements were having a credible threat of violence, capability of said violence, and not being the aggressor of the situation. If an old karen threatens to tear your arms off and really seems like she means it, that's not justifiable because she doesn't have the reasonable capability. If she says she'll stab you, and is holding a knife, but you said you'd knock her block off first, also not justified. If you said her coupon was expired so she pulled the knife, threatens to stab you, and is reasonably capable of doing so with your life being in immediate danger, then it's justifiable.

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Mando
(id: 430876468059570186)

17 Jun 2020 00:28 edited: 2020-06-17T00:28:53.272+00:00

Btw, i hate Google Voice because as you can see my English is broken as f*** right now 😂😂😂😂😂

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

17 Jun 2020 00:28

Yes, I think the distinction/debate here is whether they decide he was still the aggressor, or if he had retreated and was no longer considered the aggressor

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Sam SimpChester
(id: 500405064817573898)

17 Jun 2020 00:29

What happened with the armed militia shit I seen on stayed tuned on Snapchat if anyone will kindly inform me on that

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

17 Jun 2020 00:30

There's also been plenty of times when an overzealous prosecutor has gotten ahold of a case that could not be more clear cut, and was intent on ruining the life of the victim, dragging them through court just to bankrupt them.

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Mando
(id: 430876468059570186)

17 Jun 2020 00:30

it's pretty obvious in the video that he did retreat but, the real issue for him as if the judge is an extreme leftist or not

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Mando
(id: 430876468059570186)

17 Jun 2020 00:31

Right now the United States judicial system has a real problem with interpretation from both left and right leaning judges

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

17 Jun 2020 00:32

Bruh my whole ass message disappeared and my app crashed. F.

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

17 Jun 2020 00:33

I definitely concur on that last point @Mando. The same law can mean vastly different things

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Sam SimpChester
(id: 500405064817573898)

17 Jun 2020 00:33

If you shared one like minded meme or liked one page on Facebook you’re fucked in court honestly and I’ll dm you the screenshots in ya dm so you can see em @Crye Salesman

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Sam SimpChester
(id: 500405064817573898)

17 Jun 2020 00:33

If you didn’t read em already

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

17 Jun 2020 00:34

No I’m not sure what you’re talking about @Sam SimpChester

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

17 Jun 2020 00:34

I mean social media has definitely been used against people in court

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Sam SimpChester
(id: 500405064817573898)

17 Jun 2020 00:34

Well i have now been completely confused and forgot everything

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Mando
(id: 430876468059570186)

17 Jun 2020 00:34

I guess I'd love to keep talking about this conversation but I need to put my groceries away and make dinner

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

17 Jun 2020 00:34

If he posted some shit about killing protesters on his FB....that could swing the charges too

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

17 Jun 2020 00:35

If someone says "I'm going to kill you" and then hits you with a skateboard... I think it's perfectly fine that you shoot the motherfucker.

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Cannibal1-1
(id: 301334027325931520)

17 Jun 2020 00:35 edited: 2020-06-17T00:35:28.853+00:00

Man defends monument Woman attempts to restrain Man Man says fuck that and checks her ass Soyboi trys to Truck Fuck the Man Man shoots Soyboi

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

17 Jun 2020 00:35

@Sparrow There has been a lot of discussion already about how that *isnt* always the case

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Sam SimpChester
(id: 500405064817573898)

17 Jun 2020 00:35

They’ll try and slap him with conspiracy to commit murder if he did share anything

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

17 Jun 2020 00:36

Doesn't matter. Human life holds no value to me.

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

17 Jun 2020 00:36

Okay thanks for the input, go talk to the chaps, you’ve had to much hooah

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Cannibal1-1
(id: 301334027325931520)

17 Jun 2020 00:36

Haha, my man fuck em all and let someone else count em

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

17 Jun 2020 00:36

I'm not saying I want people to die, and I don't wanna kill anyone.

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

17 Jun 2020 00:36

What an excellent way to end up in prison @Cannibal1-1

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

17 Jun 2020 00:36

I'm merely saying, I don't care.

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

17 Jun 2020 00:37

I mean I’m not saying I care about any of the people involved, but I think the legal ramifications are important to discuss here

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

17 Jun 2020 00:37

Because a lot of us could end up in a similar situation real fast

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

17 Jun 2020 00:38

Even joke memes could be taken out of context. Your peers in court are likely to be all 30+ if not 40+ and may not even get anything besides pictures of cats in motivational posters that say "fail"

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Cannibal1-1
(id: 301334027325931520)

17 Jun 2020 00:38

If you can't read, fuck em, references not caring, and let someone else count em, reference to letting someone else deal with it

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

17 Jun 2020 00:38

The cop who walked into the wrong apartment and shot that dude sitting on his couch had minion cop memes from her FB used against her. Real shit.

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Sam SimpChester
(id: 500405064817573898)

17 Jun 2020 00:38

If anything is gonna go down with us in here we’re fucked cause we all got memes on our Facebook I’m sure

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

17 Jun 2020 00:39

jfc minion memes

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

17 Jun 2020 00:39

That’s why my Facebook is clean ahah

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

17 Jun 2020 00:39

I disabled my facebook account

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

17 Jun 2020 00:39

If someone makes a threat of physical bodily harm, and they have the means to make well on that threat, it is assault. If they hit you, it becomes Assault and Battery with a deadly weapon. At that point, lethal force is authorized for self-defense.

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

17 Jun 2020 00:39

can't deal with that shit anymore

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Sam SimpChester
(id: 500405064817573898)

17 Jun 2020 00:39

Mine ain’t but Louisiana stand your ground laws are different

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

17 Jun 2020 00:39

No it’s not @Sparrow, we have already clearly hashed that out. The context matters.

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

17 Jun 2020 00:39

Again, stand your ground laws mean nothing if you are considered the aggressor.

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

17 Jun 2020 00:40

And when they guy was clearly leaving and walking backwards, then they ran after him?

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

17 Jun 2020 00:40

As I discussed heavily with mando, they could still consider him the aggressor and hold him criminally liable

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

17 Jun 2020 00:40

If, before the video started, he made a credible threat of violence, there's a good chance he could be charged and possibly convicted. The other people could also be convicted along with him

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

17 Jun 2020 00:41

both sides getting various charges

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

17 Jun 2020 00:41

Yes, indeed. I'm not saying he's completely innocent.

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Sam SimpChester
(id: 500405064817573898)

17 Jun 2020 00:41

@Crye Salesman all I do is go to work and drink beer

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

17 Jun 2020 00:41

But I'd say the shooting, was justified.

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Sam SimpChester
(id: 500405064817573898)

17 Jun 2020 00:41

At my house

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

17 Jun 2020 00:41

Not to say he wouldn't catch charges for other things.

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

17 Jun 2020 00:41

I think the most likely scenario is that several people get charged with lower level charges, like simple assault and battery or something

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

17 Jun 2020 00:41

morally, probably. Legally, hopefully

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

17 Jun 2020 00:42

Glass the cities.

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

17 Jun 2020 00:42

send in master chief

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

17 Jun 2020 00:43

What are the odds we have to have this whole discussion again in 4 hours with a different set of people

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

17 Jun 2020 00:43

Send in the 1990's Active Duty Army with their tanks. They'll crash through everything.

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

17 Jun 2020 00:43

Wouldn't surprise me, but I wouldn't pay attention to it.

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

17 Jun 2020 00:44

Tell them to read up and reference your previous comment predicting it lol

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Sam SimpChester
(id: 500405064817573898)

17 Jun 2020 00:44

They do it any other time

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Sam SimpChester
(id: 500405064817573898)

17 Jun 2020 00:45

Fuck it @Confused they should just send in the meth heads 😂

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

17 Jun 2020 00:46

Get florida man, give them some pcp, and tell him the protestors took his food

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Sam SimpChester
(id: 500405064817573898)

17 Jun 2020 00:46

What’s everyone else doing cause I’m building a pyramid out of beer cans to jump into when I get shit faced

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Cannibal1-1
(id: 301334027325931520)

17 Jun 2020 00:47

Anyone remember littlebitt08, the tampon advocate?

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

17 Jun 2020 00:47

Yeah they were banned

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Sam SimpChester
(id: 500405064817573898)

17 Jun 2020 00:47

Hard to forget

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Sam SimpChester
(id: 500405064817573898)

17 Jun 2020 00:47

Her ole man got banned as well?

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Cannibal1-1
(id: 301334027325931520)

17 Jun 2020 00:48

In a different server they are saying their sister got killed in the CHAZ and are being extorted to get her body back

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«grëžgöv»
(id: 556222219718492170)

17 Jun 2020 00:48

bullshit

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Remnant
(id: 555965901040517120)

17 Jun 2020 00:48

Oh boy that is a good one

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

17 Jun 2020 00:48

idk. Littlebitt blocked all the admins and was given damn near a dozen warnings before finally getting banned.

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Cannibal1-1
(id: 301334027325931520)

17 Jun 2020 00:49

I think it's bs because I can't find any reference to a killing there yet

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Sam SimpChester
(id: 500405064817573898)

17 Jun 2020 00:49

Yeah she probably killed her with her RATs

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Sam SimpChester
(id: 500405064817573898)

17 Jun 2020 00:49

(RATs is the tampon term right I can’t remember)

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

17 Jun 2020 00:50

That's not a Pyramid, that's a wedge.

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Cannibal1-1
(id: 301334027325931520)

17 Jun 2020 00:50

No, RATs are TQs that suck

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

17 Jun 2020 00:50

RATs is a shitty excuse for a tq that's only good for CBT

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Cannibal1-1
(id: 301334027325931520)

17 Jun 2020 00:50

Tampons are tampons

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Sam SimpChester
(id: 500405064817573898)

17 Jun 2020 00:50

> That's not a Pyramid, that's a wedge. @Sparrow I literally just started

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Sam SimpChester
(id: 500405064817573898)

17 Jun 2020 00:51

I wonder if tampon advocates reuse the same tampons cause I mean they’re that retarded

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

17 Jun 2020 00:52

Well start better. You would know you start short and wide, then build up.

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

17 Jun 2020 00:52

Just wash em out

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

17 Jun 2020 00:52

🤮

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Sam SimpChester
(id: 500405064817573898)

17 Jun 2020 00:52

@Sparrow it’s byob if you wanna come make a bigger one 😉 I’ll even simp for you 😂

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

17 Jun 2020 00:53

I don't drink shitty American beer.

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Cannibal1-1
(id: 301334027325931520)

17 Jun 2020 00:53

I'd be intrested to see a tampon shaped object made with hemostatic agent impregnated matterial

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Sam SimpChester
(id: 500405064817573898)

17 Jun 2020 00:53

You’re a Canadian huh @Sparrow

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Sam SimpChester
(id: 500405064817573898)

17 Jun 2020 00:54

I’d pay for everyone’s medical school who actually thinks tampons work

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

17 Jun 2020 00:54

I tried acquiring the taste of beer but just couldn't do it. I've had cheap shit, and really good beer. Never gets any better

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Sam SimpChester
(id: 500405064817573898)

17 Jun 2020 00:54

It’s an acquired taste just like wine

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

17 Jun 2020 00:54

Hell no I'm not a Canadian.

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