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Dope thanks

A brand new JPC 1.0 is only 210

Might say be careful with used jpc's. Check the shoulder straps for wear, they have a nasty habit of tearing

Yep

I call it my freedom keeper lol

I plan to get buried with it lol

Aero wants $50 for a lower parts kit without a fire control group. Is that a reasonable price?

Idk what non-inflated prices looked like

BCM's kit is $120, but sold out. Comes with the FCG

I thought geissele had a decent kit without fcg

They do, they have a rock solid kit without a fcg. There's two versions, a normal one and one with a Gucci trigger guard and maritime bolt catch

I put together about a $1100 build not including lower since I already have a built one. But that includes BCM CH, aero 16" 1/7 barrel, BCM upper with parts and forward assist, AIM BCG, and BCM 13" mlok rail. And a few other goodies. Should be a fairly solid battle rifle.

Both out of stock on their website atm

@Soulraiser what is costing you 1100 there? Good optic?

I bought my BCM upper from a guy in a Walmart parking lot for 350

That sounds like a decent build @Soulraiser

It's looking like my budget will be $600 or so. Lol. I'm gonna have to scrap getting BCM parts.

For the whole rifle?

Excluding the stripped lower, yes.

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I suggest you save up

Or buy piece by piece

Probably end up building a handgun instead. At least I can get something fully functional at that budget.

If you need it now then sure

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Or you could buy a police trade in glock and continued saving

Im gonna try and trade my extra 18" upper for a pistol... I only have my p80 g19 right now for pistols.

Can pick up an M&P9 single stack for under $400 and have $200 for ammo...

Single stack 9?

MN requires a permit to buy handguns or "scary assault rifles". I'm not complying with that shit. Luckily shotguns only need the regular NICS check. Building a gun isn't regulated here either.

Ah

So a polymer 80 then?

Yep. It's looking like that'll be what I get. I originally wanted to build an 80% Sig P320, but that's a few hundred more.

Yeah, @Deleted User I think you would be better served with a reliable handgun

Question to all you gurus from someone who is still learning.

what do you think I should upgrade on here?

So if you dont have enough gas going from your gas block it wont eject and cause a malfunction.

What happens if you have too much?

increased wear, case head separation possibly

which is an absolute bitch

more recoil

but also more reliable, if you dont overgas it too much

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Your extractor probably won’t like it

Cam pin definitely won’t

So essentially you want just enough gas for ejection and everything else to work properly and no more.

Gas rings will wear quicker

That’s basically exactly what you want

a little more than necessary for when its dirty

Just enough to cycle reliably

But not removing finish on the brass deflector

Gotcha.

Also what's a BCG and FCG.

bolt carrier groupo and fire control group

Over gassing doesn’t increase reliability, you just get increased parts wear and *different* malfunctions

Also @squidsoup0 id get a sling

And a WML

Ive got a steiner battlelight mk4 its just on a different ar right now. Youre definitely right on the sling though lol

I made this one from paracord because I only had one sling and like 7 rifles

Slightly overgassing allows your rifle to power through some grime, and cycle shitty underpowered ammunition. It's generally better to be slightly overgassed than undergassed, but the best way to do it is get an adjustable gas block and set it correctly.

There are little bandaids for over and under gassing, such as buffers and spring changes

See, but that’s based on the idea that a rifle can’t just...be correctly gassed.

Between an H buffer and an H3 buffer (if you buy both) you can make any weight combination available.

> See, but that’s based on the idea that a rifle can’t just...be correctly gassed. @Crye Salesman I’m aware. I simply said it’s a bandaid for a rifle that is not properly gassed.

Yeah that was directed at confused

I gotcha.

I agree with your statements above. Any overgassing is just extra wear and tear on the parts. Over-gassing leads to increased wear on the gas-rings, causing them to have leakage faster, and to be inefficient.

Well the point of overgassing a rifle, at least supposedly, is that sometimes it might not get cleaned as often as it should and it's better to let it cycle through grime a bit and let the armourer deal with the parts wear than to have it stop working in the field. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but it makes a bit of sense.

The extractor, bolt lugs, cam pin, And gas key all suffer when overgassing.

> Well the point of overgassing a rifle, at least supposedly, is that sometimes it might not get cleaned as often as it should and it's better to let it cycle through grime a bit and let the armourer deal with the parts wear than to have it stop working in the field. > I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but it makes a bit of sense. @Confused With a *properly tuned rifle*, none of this is an issue.

Even a properly tuned rifle can run through dirt, grime, and the likes.

I have a properly tuned rifle. I don't exactly know about military ones but i haven't heard good things

It doesn’t have to be over gassed. I see your point and where you’re coming from, however.

Yeah, pretty much the entire AR15 industry outside of like 3 companies could decrease their gas ports by 10-30% and not see a change in reliability

Even more than that if they thought out the operating system and actually considered how to make the gas drive have a wider range of pressure and still be functional, which isnt that hard

Like the hk 416, and to a lesser extent the mk18, known for being viciously over gassed, supposedly for running through whatever you throw at it. I don't know if this was by the choice of the manufacturer or mandated by the military though.

The MK18 is a...interesting discussion. The 416 was designed *because* those overgassed .mil guns where tearing themselves apart every 6 months in some units

FAL: here have an adjustable gas system to overcome grime and variable ammo selection G3: lol bolt go KACHUNK, *launches brass into orbit*

Anyone have that check off list of gear that was posted here before

@Confused the HK416’s aren’t insanely bad with the vented gas blocks. I ran one with a suppressor for a while. Granted that setup was well over 10lbs how I usually shot it, but the felt recoil was less than my m4

@[CA] SoyBoi there’s one in #deleted-channel, although I’d rather have a discussion of what you *actually* need

@Crye Salesman I have almost everything, except a helmet and Hawaiian shirt, idk what to look for in a helmet Other than that it's double checking to see if anything small fell through the cracks

My main thing is I have 2 backpacks 1 is if I have time and plan on being out for a while 2 I'm building currently, where I dont have time and its merely to get me out of where I'm at

First backpack is large and bulky Second is compact, ideally I can take the large one, but the compact is if its life or death get out now kind of deal

How much do they run? Cause I can't drop 300 on a hemlet rn lol

@[CA] SoyBoi Should be in #gear-info.

So I've put together a little kit, using a lot of Aero Precision pieces due to the recommendation of one of you fine guys in the chat here. What do you think? I also have a stripped Aero lower I'm shipping separately to FFL dealer

Altogether I'm spending less than $600 not counting sights and attachments or if my stoner senses missed something in the build

@JackLAXXX are you saying that’s your entire list? Because you’re missing a lot

Oh nooo

Please, help me. First time assembling the whole thing myself. I have the parts for the lower, the gas tube, the BCG, charge handle..what am I missing

Not a lot

You need a muzzle device

@JackLAXXX you need a muzzle device and sights if some type. That's it. Once you get it together you can figure out how you want to setup a light and foregrip.

Oh an mags. Obviously.

Anyone know around what the torque spec is for a buffer tube on a AR, and also for a compesator on a crush washer?

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