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Citizens Liberty Organization / 🌎 Global Channels / 🔫the-armory [part 4]

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MrCaviar
(id: 706649542463848549)

08 May 2020 04:21

maybe

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

08 May 2020 04:28

Any forward grip brands yall would recommend

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

08 May 2020 04:34

Railscales

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KnightArkane
(id: 401492150443048980)

08 May 2020 04:52

@Sparrow that’s mostly likely going into “gen II”. This was 30 layers combined. I’m thinking maybe 2 pieces, 5 normal layers, plate, 10 layers, plate, 5more layers. I’ll most likely leave 1/4 inch of material round the outsides of the plates so it binds nicely. Then sprayed with bedliner as a last little bit of binding.

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

08 May 2020 04:54

JFC I spent entirely too much time on this thanks to some misplaced hyperfocus, but several people just had to go on about how their anderson rifles have never had any malfunctions after infinity billion rounds and everything they make is just pure fucking gold and can't go wrong.

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

08 May 2020 04:55

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

08 May 2020 04:55

Sure it belongs in memes but, I mean c'mon

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KnightArkane
(id: 401492150443048980)

08 May 2020 04:57

One of my best friends back home has an AR with an Anderson lower and PSA upper. Holy shit does that thing suck. He’s had to replace so much shit on that gun and still touts it like it’s king.

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

08 May 2020 05:09

What lower would yall recommend

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

08 May 2020 05:11

Aero precision at least. I like them because there's a grip screw that tightens down on the wobble between the upper and lower. However, it's generally best to buy a matched set upper and lower from whatever brand you're buying, as they tend to fit the best. SOLGW has oversized lugs that are made specifically for their lowers to fit without any wobble at all.

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pathenryv2
(id: 479741380281761802)

08 May 2020 06:12

80% equals no paperwork

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Deleted User
(id: 456226577798135808)

08 May 2020 06:13

With 6.8 SPC replacing 5.56 NATO should we follow suit?

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pathenryv2
(id: 479741380281761802)

08 May 2020 06:13

No

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pathenryv2
(id: 479741380281761802)

08 May 2020 06:13

6.5 grendel master race

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Krusk
(id: 638232169839329292)

08 May 2020 06:26

@Deleted User civilian market will adopt it 5-10 years after the military properly adopts it (which it hasn't yet). We won't get any good rifles, gear, or ammo till then. Stick to 5.56 for the time being.

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

08 May 2020 08:13

Prepping for travel, realize that my helmet takes 10 batteries of 3 separate types to run

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

08 May 2020 11:05

I was thinking might be a good idea to run rechargeable batteries

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Anonymoose
(id: 219990860127928320)

08 May 2020 11:59

6.5 Grendel? First I'm even hearing of it.

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INNATRUCK
(id: 239601910527557632)

08 May 2020 13:06

It's an AR caliber

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INNATRUCK
(id: 239601910527557632)

08 May 2020 13:06

Supposed to be decent

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Lucky Texan
(id: 662470209772322816)

08 May 2020 13:18

The Grendel is amazing

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Lucky Texan
(id: 662470209772322816)

08 May 2020 13:19

I've of the best to suppress as well

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Lucky Texan
(id: 662470209772322816)

08 May 2020 13:20

12.5 and 18 are the two barrel lengths that have done me well. Stupid accurate out of the 12.5 even at 400-500 yards. I was shocked

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

08 May 2020 13:52

The military doesn't exactly have the best track record when it comes to adopting new rifles and calibers. I won't believe it until it's in widespread use

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 15:38

@Crye Salesman I come into the same issue. Nods takes AA, laser takes AAA, sight takes CR2032, and light takes CR123s.

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

08 May 2020 15:46

That’s just on my helmet though 😭 I have other stuff in my rifle

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 15:47

Hahaha, what you run for your rifle setup?

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

08 May 2020 16:29

Modlite 18650 OKW, Aimpoint micro, DBAL

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 16:33

How are Modlites? I've never used one. Any reason you went with them over Streamlight or Surefire?

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 16:40

However, I think I'm gonna upgrade to a DBAL in the future if I end up getting better NODs

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Deleted User
(id: 456226577798135808)

08 May 2020 16:47

I'm a poor, so I'd probably run irons for a while before I could get decent optics.

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 16:54

Nothing wrong with that so long as you aren't one of those "Iron sights are better than optics" tards.

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 16:54

But honestly, you can get like a TRS-25 micro-dot and it'll work until you can get something better. They can be had for under 100 bucks easily.

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[MS] Foxtrot795
(id: 703635117901611090)

08 May 2020 16:55

@Deleted User look into the Sightmark ultra shot plus.

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Deleted User
(id: 456226577798135808)

08 May 2020 16:56

While knowing how to use irons is important (in my opinion), saying they're superior to optics is ridiculous.

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 16:56

Everyone should train and learn iron sights first. Then move to optics. You need your base and fundamentals before you can become advanced.

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 16:57

And I'm iffy on Sightmark... I've used their redots before and they seem to lose zero.

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 16:58

And the whole 'change your reticle' feature on them is just asking to lose zero and fuck up your parallax

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 17:02

If you're cool spending 100 though, AT3 makes a decent red dot. Haven't ran into problems with mine.

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 17:02

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M0JMCFO/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2?pd_rd_i=B01M0JMCFO&pd_rd_w=8xIAu&pf_rd_p=48d372c1-f7e1-4b8b-9d02-4bd86f5158c5&pd_rd_wg=lFc83&pf_rd_r=BV0MRT7PB62FPMWB57KY&pd_rd_r=7a78e12f-2a47-4bf1-8f4f-24a799b5a3ca&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFNTkJPVTNUSzg0SU8mZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA0NDc0MTcxVVhIQlZKQ1QwNVFUJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA1MzAwMTJWUVZPUTY0QjhOTzImd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9kZXRhaWwmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl&th=1

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 17:03

It's not going to have that awesome Aimpoint durability. But from everything I can tell, as long as you're not using your red dot as a hammer and tossing it around everywhere, you shouldn't have an issue.

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thisshitwildaf
(id: 690305463933468712)

08 May 2020 17:21

Need help picking out some level 4 ceramic plates, trying to budget but I know there life saving just give some suggestions/options

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

08 May 2020 17:24

https://www.reddit.com/r/QualityTacticalGear/comments/cmkton/armor_purchasing_guide/

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

08 May 2020 17:25

> Everyone should train and learn iron sights first. Then move to optics. You need your base and fundamentals before you can become advanced. @Sparrow iron sights are not a fundamental part of shooting, and it’s actually wayyy more productive to learn on a red dot first, and then learn irons later.

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Deleted User
(id: 456226577798135808)

08 May 2020 17:26

I've heard something named like Romeo is a good budget optic.

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 17:27

What? And how do you recon that? Learning a red dot is way easier, sure. But it's an aid. How would it not be better to learn Irons first?

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

08 May 2020 17:28

Reminds me of the fundamentals of Kali / Escrima. They start with armed combat and move to unarmed after someone is experienced, as at the time, they needed to train people how to effectively fight the Spaniards, then working on the more difficult and less used unarmed combat later.

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 17:30

My whole thing is. Irons are your backups, if your dot goes down, you need to know how to use your Irons.

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KaiBran
(id: 571487267038691331)

08 May 2020 17:30

anyone have any good advice on chem gear any places they bought from for gas masks gloves hoods and all that jazz

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 17:30

So learn on Irons, then move to dots

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 17:30

Oh uhhh, shit. One second Kai

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TacticalBeard
(id: 188364925398286336)

08 May 2020 17:31 edited: 2020-05-08T17:31:45.487+00:00

@Deleted User yea the sig Romeo is a decent low cost red dot. When staying cheap Vortex and Primary arms are your best friend entry lvl red dots/prisms/LVPOs

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

08 May 2020 17:31

Guys my plates are almost here, I'm spying on the UPS man on their map lol

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

08 May 2020 17:31

I am big brother lol

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TacticalBeard
(id: 188364925398286336)

08 May 2020 17:32

What ya get

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

08 May 2020 17:32

Shellback IV plates

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

08 May 2020 17:32

They shipped fast af, next day they were headed my way

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Deleted User
(id: 456226577798135808)

08 May 2020 17:32

That reminds me I need to check the mail.

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

08 May 2020 17:33

Holosun makes good ones from what I hear

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 17:33

http://approvedgasmasks.com/mask-gas.htm

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 17:34

And this one is basically just Israeli masks, but here.

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 17:34

https://www.rddusa.com/product-category/gas-mask/

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 17:35

Just make sure you don't buy the shitty russian ones.

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KaiBran
(id: 571487267038691331)

08 May 2020 17:37

i heard th russian gp-7 are ok

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 17:37

You heard lies.

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 17:39

Personally, the lowest one that I'd trust. Is the Israeli civilian mask. Just make sure you have a newer filter.

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

08 May 2020 17:39

If a red dot is an ‘aid’ then so are irons? Why the fuck would we make shooters learn on a harder system, that is outdated? Irons fail too?

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 17:41

Ehh, I dunno. It just seems better to have that understanding of how they work first, of course that's opinion and we don't have to agree 100%. But it's important to know both, whichever one you decide to start with, don't neglect the other.

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Deleted User
(id: 456226577798135808)

08 May 2020 17:42

I would like optics with backup irons.. eventually. Getting a gun obviously comes first. My damn $1200 hasn't arrived yet.

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

08 May 2020 17:43

I genuinely think that learning irons *first* makes you a worse shooter with a red dot

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

08 May 2020 17:43

Thats what I run, red dot with offset irons Incase I fuck up my redot somehow

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 17:43

That's an interesting view... no idea why. I had zero problems moving to dot dots after irons, lol

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 17:44

I only use offsets if I'm running a scope. I use flip ups otherwise.

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 17:44

Offsets offer a higher chance of getting snagged on something or bumped.

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

08 May 2020 17:44

I have flip up but run a magifier

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 17:45

Hell, if you have a micro dot you can put that on a 45 offset mount

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

08 May 2020 17:45

Training yourself to use multiple focal planes builds a habit of not being threat focused

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

08 May 2020 17:46

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

08 May 2020 17:46

ACOG, offset T1, KAC backup, peq, OKW

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

08 May 2020 17:46

That Gucci wire lol

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

08 May 2020 17:46

What wire hanger you running lol

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

08 May 2020 17:47

A 3rd hole. That’s a work gun

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 17:47

The military likes us to wire our optics down.

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KaiBran
(id: 571487267038691331)

08 May 2020 17:48

@Sparrow i know the russian ones are obviously cheaply made and the gp-5 filters have asbestos but i mean would it still be safe to use the gp-7 as long as it seals? or is there a bigger problem with them that im missing

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Red.1776
(id: 691130782076502036)

08 May 2020 17:48

Anybody have experience with Enola Gaye smoke grenades? Do they provide actual concealment?

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

08 May 2020 17:48

No that shits gay

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

08 May 2020 17:49

They *might* produce enough output for signaling

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

08 May 2020 17:49

The only enola gay smoke grenades that actually produce a decent level of smoke are their biggest ones, which are too cumbersome to carry

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 17:49

The proper seal is a huge issue with them. And they fog like a motherfucker and your head is gonna turn into a swampland

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

08 May 2020 17:49

they do produce enough for signals though

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

08 May 2020 17:50

even their biggest ones are pretty worthless for concealment

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

08 May 2020 17:50

Well, relative to whomst you’re signaling, from where, in what environment

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

08 May 2020 17:50

decent enough to signal to someone within a few hundred yards, or low flying aircraft. Not much else

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

08 May 2020 17:51

their biggest one that is

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KaiBran
(id: 571487267038691331)

08 May 2020 17:51

@Sparrow i will definetly look into the isreali masks then what should look for for filter

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 17:51

They should use standard NATO 40mm filters i think.

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Red.1776
(id: 691130782076502036)

08 May 2020 17:52

I know their “military” style one isn’t available for purchase except in the field at events

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

08 May 2020 17:52

Don't quote me on that though

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Red.1776
(id: 691130782076502036)

08 May 2020 17:53

I have 4 of the 18x supposed to be the step down from the big one

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Red.1776
(id: 691130782076502036)

08 May 2020 17:53

Sucks you can’t buy m18s

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