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Citizens Liberty Organization / 🌎 Global Channels / 🔫the-armory [part 4]

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BigIglooArmorer
(id: 704465322010214412)

07 May 2020 00:51

Dope thanks

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

07 May 2020 00:51

A brand new JPC 1.0 is only 210

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BugsyBaldwin
(id: 704929763176874004)

07 May 2020 00:53

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

07 May 2020 00:53

Might say be careful with used jpc's. Check the shoulder straps for wear, they have a nasty habit of tearing

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BugsyBaldwin
(id: 704929763176874004)

07 May 2020 00:57

Yep

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BugsyBaldwin
(id: 704929763176874004)

07 May 2020 00:58

I call it my freedom keeper lol

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BugsyBaldwin
(id: 704929763176874004)

07 May 2020 00:58

I plan to get buried with it lol

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Deleted User
(id: 456226577798135808)

07 May 2020 02:39

Aero wants $50 for a lower parts kit without a fire control group. Is that a reasonable price?

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Deleted User
(id: 456226577798135808)

07 May 2020 02:39

Idk what non-inflated prices looked like

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Deleted User
(id: 456226577798135808)

07 May 2020 02:48 edited: 2020-05-07T02:48:36.678+00:00

BCM's kit is $120, but sold out. Comes with the FCG

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pathenryv2
(id: 479741380281761802)

07 May 2020 02:49

I thought geissele had a decent kit without fcg

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

07 May 2020 02:56

They do, they have a rock solid kit without a fcg. There's two versions, a normal one and one with a Gucci trigger guard and maritime bolt catch

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Soulraiser
(id: 161290904802426880)

07 May 2020 02:58

I put together about a $1100 build not including lower since I already have a built one. But that includes BCM CH, aero 16" 1/7 barrel, BCM upper with parts and forward assist, AIM BCG, and BCM 13" mlok rail. And a few other goodies. Should be a fairly solid battle rifle.

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pathenryv2
(id: 479741380281761802)

07 May 2020 02:58

Both out of stock on their website atm

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pathenryv2
(id: 479741380281761802)

07 May 2020 02:59

@Soulraiser what is costing you 1100 there? Good optic?

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pathenryv2
(id: 479741380281761802)

07 May 2020 03:01

I bought my BCM upper from a guy in a Walmart parking lot for 350

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

07 May 2020 03:06

That sounds like a decent build @Soulraiser

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Deleted User
(id: 456226577798135808)

07 May 2020 03:06

It's looking like my budget will be $600 or so. Lol. I'm gonna have to scrap getting BCM parts.

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pathenryv2
(id: 479741380281761802)

07 May 2020 03:06

For the whole rifle?

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Deleted User
(id: 456226577798135808)

07 May 2020 03:07

Excluding the stripped lower, yes.

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Deleted User
(id: 456226577798135808)

07 May 2020 03:07

☹️

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pathenryv2
(id: 479741380281761802)

07 May 2020 03:07

I suggest you save up

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pathenryv2
(id: 479741380281761802)

07 May 2020 03:07

Or buy piece by piece

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Deleted User
(id: 456226577798135808)

07 May 2020 03:09

Probably end up building a handgun instead. At least I can get something fully functional at that budget.

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pathenryv2
(id: 479741380281761802)

07 May 2020 03:10

If you need it now then sure

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squidsoup0
(id: 605893030230229002)

07 May 2020 03:10

.

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pathenryv2
(id: 479741380281761802)

07 May 2020 03:10

Or you could buy a police trade in glock and continued saving

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squidsoup0
(id: 605893030230229002)

07 May 2020 03:11

Im gonna try and trade my extra 18" upper for a pistol... I only have my p80 g19 right now for pistols.

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Soulraiser
(id: 161290904802426880)

07 May 2020 03:11

Can pick up an M&P9 single stack for under $400 and have $200 for ammo...

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pathenryv2
(id: 479741380281761802)

07 May 2020 03:13

Single stack 9?

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Deleted User
(id: 456226577798135808)

07 May 2020 03:13 edited: 2020-05-07T03:14:16.291+00:00

MN requires a permit to buy handguns or "scary assault rifles". I'm not complying with that shit. Luckily shotguns only need the regular NICS check. Building a gun isn't regulated here either.

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pathenryv2
(id: 479741380281761802)

07 May 2020 03:14

Ah

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pathenryv2
(id: 479741380281761802)

07 May 2020 03:14

So a polymer 80 then?

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Deleted User
(id: 456226577798135808)

07 May 2020 03:15

Yep. It's looking like that'll be what I get. I originally wanted to build an 80% Sig P320, but that's a few hundred more.

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

07 May 2020 03:25

Yeah, @Deleted User I think you would be better served with a reliable handgun

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Anonymoose
(id: 219990860127928320)

07 May 2020 04:01

Question to all you gurus from someone who is still learning.

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squidsoup0
(id: 605893030230229002)

07 May 2020 04:01

what do you think I should upgrade on here?

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Anonymoose
(id: 219990860127928320)

07 May 2020 04:02

So if you dont have enough gas going from your gas block it wont eject and cause a malfunction.

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Anonymoose
(id: 219990860127928320)

07 May 2020 04:02

What happens if you have too much?

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squidsoup0
(id: 605893030230229002)

07 May 2020 04:02

increased wear, case head separation possibly

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squidsoup0
(id: 605893030230229002)

07 May 2020 04:02

which is an absolute bitch

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squidsoup0
(id: 605893030230229002)

07 May 2020 04:02

more recoil

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squidsoup0
(id: 605893030230229002)

07 May 2020 04:03

but also more reliable, if you dont overgas it too much

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pathenryv2
(id: 479741380281761802)

07 May 2020 04:03

^

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

07 May 2020 04:03

Your extractor probably won’t like it

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

07 May 2020 04:03

Cam pin definitely won’t

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Anonymoose
(id: 219990860127928320)

07 May 2020 04:03

So essentially you want just enough gas for ejection and everything else to work properly and no more.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

07 May 2020 04:04

Gas rings will wear quicker

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

07 May 2020 04:04

That’s basically exactly what you want

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squidsoup0
(id: 605893030230229002)

07 May 2020 04:04

a little more than necessary for when its dirty

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

07 May 2020 04:04

Just enough to cycle reliably

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

07 May 2020 04:04

But not removing finish on the brass deflector

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Anonymoose
(id: 219990860127928320)

07 May 2020 04:08

Gotcha.

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Anonymoose
(id: 219990860127928320)

07 May 2020 04:08

Also what's a BCG and FCG.

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squidsoup0
(id: 605893030230229002)

07 May 2020 04:09

bolt carrier groupo and fire control group

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

07 May 2020 04:19

Over gassing doesn’t increase reliability, you just get increased parts wear and *different* malfunctions

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

07 May 2020 04:25

Also @squidsoup0 id get a sling

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

07 May 2020 04:25

And a WML

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squidsoup0
(id: 605893030230229002)

07 May 2020 04:26

Ive got a steiner battlelight mk4 its just on a different ar right now. Youre definitely right on the sling though lol

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squidsoup0
(id: 605893030230229002)

07 May 2020 04:26

I made this one from paracord because I only had one sling and like 7 rifles

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

07 May 2020 04:38

Slightly overgassing allows your rifle to power through some grime, and cycle shitty underpowered ammunition. It's generally better to be slightly overgassed than undergassed, but the best way to do it is get an adjustable gas block and set it correctly.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

07 May 2020 04:39

There are little bandaids for over and under gassing, such as buffers and spring changes

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

07 May 2020 04:39

See, but that’s based on the idea that a rifle can’t just...be correctly gassed.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

07 May 2020 04:39

Between an H buffer and an H3 buffer (if you buy both) you can make any weight combination available.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

07 May 2020 04:40

> See, but that’s based on the idea that a rifle can’t just...be correctly gassed. @Crye Salesman I’m aware. I simply said it’s a bandaid for a rifle that is not properly gassed.

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

07 May 2020 04:40

Yeah that was directed at confused

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

07 May 2020 04:40

I gotcha.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

07 May 2020 04:41

I agree with your statements above. Any overgassing is just extra wear and tear on the parts. Over-gassing leads to increased wear on the gas-rings, causing them to have leakage faster, and to be inefficient.

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

07 May 2020 04:41

Well the point of overgassing a rifle, at least supposedly, is that sometimes it might not get cleaned as often as it should and it's better to let it cycle through grime a bit and let the armourer deal with the parts wear than to have it stop working in the field. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but it makes a bit of sense.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

07 May 2020 04:42

The extractor, bolt lugs, cam pin, And gas key all suffer when overgassing.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

07 May 2020 04:42

> Well the point of overgassing a rifle, at least supposedly, is that sometimes it might not get cleaned as often as it should and it's better to let it cycle through grime a bit and let the armourer deal with the parts wear than to have it stop working in the field. > I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but it makes a bit of sense. @Confused With a *properly tuned rifle*, none of this is an issue.

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

07 May 2020 04:42

Even a properly tuned rifle can run through dirt, grime, and the likes.

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

07 May 2020 04:43

I have a properly tuned rifle. I don't exactly know about military ones but i haven't heard good things

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

07 May 2020 04:43

It doesn’t have to be over gassed. I see your point and where you’re coming from, however.

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

07 May 2020 04:43

Yeah, pretty much the entire AR15 industry outside of like 3 companies could decrease their gas ports by 10-30% and not see a change in reliability

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

07 May 2020 04:44

Even more than that if they thought out the operating system and actually considered how to make the gas drive have a wider range of pressure and still be functional, which isnt that hard

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

07 May 2020 04:46

Like the hk 416, and to a lesser extent the mk18, known for being viciously over gassed, supposedly for running through whatever you throw at it. I don't know if this was by the choice of the manufacturer or mandated by the military though.

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

07 May 2020 04:54

The MK18 is a...interesting discussion. The 416 was designed *because* those overgassed .mil guns where tearing themselves apart every 6 months in some units

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

07 May 2020 04:56

FAL: here have an adjustable gas system to overcome grime and variable ammo selection G3: lol bolt go KACHUNK, *launches brass into orbit*

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

07 May 2020 04:58

Anyone have that check off list of gear that was posted here before

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

07 May 2020 05:02

@Confused the HK416’s aren’t insanely bad with the vented gas blocks. I ran one with a suppressor for a while. Granted that setup was well over 10lbs how I usually shot it, but the felt recoil was less than my m4

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Crye Salesman
(id: 368359599889186818)

07 May 2020 05:05 edited: 2020-05-07T05:05:07.122+00:00

@[CA] SoyBoi there’s one in #deleted-channel, although I’d rather have a discussion of what you *actually* need

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

07 May 2020 05:06

@Crye Salesman I have almost everything, except a helmet and Hawaiian shirt, idk what to look for in a helmet Other than that it's double checking to see if anything small fell through the cracks

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

07 May 2020 05:06

My main thing is I have 2 backpacks 1 is if I have time and plan on being out for a while 2 I'm building currently, where I dont have time and its merely to get me out of where I'm at

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

07 May 2020 05:07

First backpack is large and bulky Second is compact, ideally I can take the large one, but the compact is if its life or death get out now kind of deal

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

07 May 2020 05:07

How much do they run? Cause I can't drop 300 on a hemlet rn lol

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[LA] Zoomer Medi/k/
(id: 687142537353232434)

07 May 2020 05:34

@[CA] SoyBoi Should be in #gear-info.

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JackLAXXX
(id: 351251101745676300)

07 May 2020 06:46

So I've put together a little kit, using a lot of Aero Precision pieces due to the recommendation of one of you fine guys in the chat here. What do you think? I also have a stripped Aero lower I'm shipping separately to FFL dealer

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JackLAXXX
(id: 351251101745676300)

07 May 2020 06:48

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JackLAXXX
(id: 351251101745676300)

07 May 2020 06:48

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JackLAXXX
(id: 351251101745676300)

07 May 2020 06:53

Altogether I'm spending less than $600 not counting sights and attachments or if my stoner senses missed something in the build

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GRANITE
(id: 701205727355600917)

07 May 2020 10:46

@JackLAXXX are you saying that’s your entire list? Because you’re missing a lot

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JackLAXXX
(id: 351251101745676300)

07 May 2020 14:08

Oh nooo

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JackLAXXX
(id: 351251101745676300)

07 May 2020 14:09

Please, help me. First time assembling the whole thing myself. I have the parts for the lower, the gas tube, the BCG, charge handle..what am I missing

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pathenryv2
(id: 479741380281761802)

07 May 2020 15:05

Not a lot

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pathenryv2
(id: 479741380281761802)

07 May 2020 15:05

You need a muzzle device

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Ballsdini
(id: 704892387616620575)

07 May 2020 15:19

@JackLAXXX you need a muzzle device and sights if some type. That's it. Once you get it together you can figure out how you want to setup a light and foregrip.

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Ballsdini
(id: 704892387616620575)

07 May 2020 15:20

Oh an mags. Obviously.

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

07 May 2020 15:22

Anyone know around what the torque spec is for a buffer tube on a AR, and also for a compesator on a crush washer?

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

07 May 2020 15:22

Tag me so I get the notification!

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