Citizens Liberty Organization / 🌎 Global Channels / 🔫the-armory [part 4]

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Any forward grip brands yall would recommend

Railscales

@Sparrow that’s mostly likely going into “gen II”. This was 30 layers combined. I’m thinking maybe 2 pieces, 5 normal layers, plate, 10 layers, plate, 5more layers. I’ll most likely leave 1/4 inch of material round the outsides of the plates so it binds nicely. Then sprayed with bedliner as a last little bit of binding.

JFC I spent entirely too much time on this thanks to some misplaced hyperfocus, but several people just had to go on about how their anderson rifles have never had any malfunctions after infinity billion rounds and everything they make is just pure fucking gold and can't go wrong.

Sure it belongs in memes but, I mean c'mon

One of my best friends back home has an AR with an Anderson lower and PSA upper. Holy shit does that thing suck. He’s had to replace so much shit on that gun and still touts it like it’s king.

What lower would yall recommend

Aero precision at least. I like them because there's a grip screw that tightens down on the wobble between the upper and lower. However, it's generally best to buy a matched set upper and lower from whatever brand you're buying, as they tend to fit the best. SOLGW has oversized lugs that are made specifically for their lowers to fit without any wobble at all.

80% equals no paperwork

With 6.8 SPC replacing 5.56 NATO should we follow suit?

No

6.5 grendel master race

@Deleted User civilian market will adopt it 5-10 years after the military properly adopts it (which it hasn't yet). We won't get any good rifles, gear, or ammo till then. Stick to 5.56 for the time being.

Prepping for travel, realize that my helmet takes 10 batteries of 3 separate types to run

I was thinking might be a good idea to run rechargeable batteries

6.5 Grendel? First I'm even hearing of it.

It's an AR caliber

Supposed to be decent

The Grendel is amazing

I've of the best to suppress as well

12.5 and 18 are the two barrel lengths that have done me well. Stupid accurate out of the 12.5 even at 400-500 yards. I was shocked

The military doesn't exactly have the best track record when it comes to adopting new rifles and calibers. I won't believe it until it's in widespread use

@Crye Salesman I come into the same issue. Nods takes AA, laser takes AAA, sight takes CR2032, and light takes CR123s.

That’s just on my helmet though 😭 I have other stuff in my rifle

Hahaha, what you run for your rifle setup?

Modlite 18650 OKW, Aimpoint micro, DBAL

How are Modlites? I've never used one. Any reason you went with them over Streamlight or Surefire?

However, I think I'm gonna upgrade to a DBAL in the future if I end up getting better NODs

I'm a poor, so I'd probably run irons for a while before I could get decent optics.

Nothing wrong with that so long as you aren't one of those "Iron sights are better than optics" tards.

But honestly, you can get like a TRS-25 micro-dot and it'll work until you can get something better. They can be had for under 100 bucks easily.

@Deleted User look into the Sightmark ultra shot plus.

While knowing how to use irons is important (in my opinion), saying they're superior to optics is ridiculous.

Everyone should train and learn iron sights first. Then move to optics. You need your base and fundamentals before you can become advanced.

And I'm iffy on Sightmark... I've used their redots before and they seem to lose zero.

And the whole 'change your reticle' feature on them is just asking to lose zero and fuck up your parallax

If you're cool spending 100 though, AT3 makes a decent red dot. Haven't ran into problems with mine.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M0JMCFO/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2?pd_rd_i=B01M0JMCFO&pd_rd_w=8xIAu&pf_rd_p=48d372c1-f7e1-4b8b-9d02-4bd86f5158c5&pd_rd_wg=lFc83&pf_rd_r=BV0MRT7PB62FPMWB57KY&pd_rd_r=7a78e12f-2a47-4bf1-8f4f-24a799b5a3ca&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFNTkJPVTNUSzg0SU8mZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA0NDc0MTcxVVhIQlZKQ1QwNVFUJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA1MzAwMTJWUVZPUTY0QjhOTzImd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9kZXRhaWwmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl&th=1

It's not going to have that awesome Aimpoint durability. But from everything I can tell, as long as you're not using your red dot as a hammer and tossing it around everywhere, you shouldn't have an issue.

Need help picking out some level 4 ceramic plates, trying to budget but I know there life saving just give some suggestions/options

https://www.reddit.com/r/QualityTacticalGear/comments/cmkton/armor_purchasing_guide/

> Everyone should train and learn iron sights first. Then move to optics. You need your base and fundamentals before you can become advanced. @Sparrow iron sights are not a fundamental part of shooting, and it’s actually wayyy more productive to learn on a red dot first, and then learn irons later.

I've heard something named like Romeo is a good budget optic.

What? And how do you recon that? Learning a red dot is way easier, sure. But it's an aid. How would it not be better to learn Irons first?

Reminds me of the fundamentals of Kali / Escrima. They start with armed combat and move to unarmed after someone is experienced, as at the time, they needed to train people how to effectively fight the Spaniards, then working on the more difficult and less used unarmed combat later.

My whole thing is. Irons are your backups, if your dot goes down, you need to know how to use your Irons.

anyone have any good advice on chem gear any places they bought from for gas masks gloves hoods and all that jazz

So learn on Irons, then move to dots

Oh uhhh, shit. One second Kai

@Deleted User yea the sig Romeo is a decent low cost red dot. When staying cheap Vortex and Primary arms are your best friend entry lvl red dots/prisms/LVPOs

Guys my plates are almost here, I'm spying on the UPS man on their map lol

I am big brother lol

What ya get

Shellback IV plates

They shipped fast af, next day they were headed my way

That reminds me I need to check the mail.

Holosun makes good ones from what I hear

http://approvedgasmasks.com/mask-gas.htm

And this one is basically just Israeli masks, but here.

https://www.rddusa.com/product-category/gas-mask/

Just make sure you don't buy the shitty russian ones.

i heard th russian gp-7 are ok

You heard lies.

Personally, the lowest one that I'd trust. Is the Israeli civilian mask. Just make sure you have a newer filter.

If a red dot is an ‘aid’ then so are irons? Why the fuck would we make shooters learn on a harder system, that is outdated? Irons fail too?

Ehh, I dunno. It just seems better to have that understanding of how they work first, of course that's opinion and we don't have to agree 100%. But it's important to know both, whichever one you decide to start with, don't neglect the other.

I would like optics with backup irons.. eventually. Getting a gun obviously comes first. My damn $1200 hasn't arrived yet.

I genuinely think that learning irons *first* makes you a worse shooter with a red dot

Thats what I run, red dot with offset irons Incase I fuck up my redot somehow

That's an interesting view... no idea why. I had zero problems moving to dot dots after irons, lol

I only use offsets if I'm running a scope. I use flip ups otherwise.

Offsets offer a higher chance of getting snagged on something or bumped.

I have flip up but run a magifier

Hell, if you have a micro dot you can put that on a 45 offset mount

Training yourself to use multiple focal planes builds a habit of not being threat focused

ACOG, offset T1, KAC backup, peq, OKW

That Gucci wire lol

What wire hanger you running lol

A 3rd hole. That’s a work gun

The military likes us to wire our optics down.

@Sparrow i know the russian ones are obviously cheaply made and the gp-5 filters have asbestos but i mean would it still be safe to use the gp-7 as long as it seals? or is there a bigger problem with them that im missing

Anybody have experience with Enola Gaye smoke grenades? Do they provide actual concealment?

No that shits gay

They *might* produce enough output for signaling

The only enola gay smoke grenades that actually produce a decent level of smoke are their biggest ones, which are too cumbersome to carry

The proper seal is a huge issue with them. And they fog like a motherfucker and your head is gonna turn into a swampland

they do produce enough for signals though

even their biggest ones are pretty worthless for concealment

Well, relative to whomst you’re signaling, from where, in what environment

decent enough to signal to someone within a few hundred yards, or low flying aircraft. Not much else

their biggest one that is

@Sparrow i will definetly look into the isreali masks then what should look for for filter

They should use standard NATO 40mm filters i think.

I know their “military” style one isn’t available for purchase except in the field at events

Don't quote me on that though

I have 4 of the 18x supposed to be the step down from the big one

Sucks you can’t buy m18s