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GRANITE
(id: 701205727355600917)

13 May 2020 19:11

Thatโ€™s crazy though

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

13 May 2020 19:14

The only decent concealable ones I know of are the spiritus covert and ferro slickster. Might be able to make the jpc work but idk. Also all of those are "concealable" as in, you could probably hide them under a coat. They make more concealable armor but you're gonna be confined to soft stuff like iiia

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

13 May 2020 19:16

Okay yeah, I was thinking that stuff. And I'm talking something that I can wear slick under a coat. And throw a chest rig or velcro mag pouches on if needed.

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Mountain Man ๐Ÿ”
(id: 259791475104153600)

13 May 2020 19:18

My ferroro chest rig micro is pretty small. Fits three mags and I could conceal it under a sweatshirt with ease

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Mountain Man ๐Ÿ”
(id: 259791475104153600)

13 May 2020 19:18

I can get pics for you if you want when I get home

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

13 May 2020 19:18

the overt and covert from spiritus are really about the same size. The only noticeable difference is that the overt has a little molle on the top half

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Catman
(id: 439587607220060161)

13 May 2020 19:18

I have a photo I think

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

13 May 2020 19:19

And the overt has a zipper for their packs

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

13 May 2020 19:19

yeah though you can mix and match front and back plate bags

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Mountain Man ๐Ÿ”
(id: 259791475104153600)

13 May 2020 19:19

Oh you talking plate carriers?

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

13 May 2020 19:20

I remember finding another covert PC like 2 weeks ago, but can't remember the name.

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

13 May 2020 19:20

And yes.

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

13 May 2020 19:20

mags may stick out a bit. The lower profile attachment is a plackard, and there's also a chest rig that can be mounted on it if you want an admin pouch

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

13 May 2020 19:21

That's a rig though, not a PC

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

13 May 2020 19:21

You may be able to just pass for a fat person with the pc on and a bomber jacket over top during the fall and winter

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

13 May 2020 19:21

I mean, I'll also get a rig to throw over my carrier.

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

13 May 2020 19:21

I have a dedicated PC with pouches and everything. But I also want something slick that I can wear for like PSDs

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

13 May 2020 19:23

Apparently Shellback makes their own concealable carrier too.

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

13 May 2020 19:39

I think I might get the Slickster when I come back.

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

13 May 2020 19:46

I still need a medkit and better plates. Normally have a qor iceplate on there but it's not attached at the moment. Anything I don't need immediate access to goes in the haley flatpack molled to the back

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

13 May 2020 19:47

Also I tie down the cables but I had it disassembled

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

13 May 2020 20:10

I think I'll be going with an ifak from dark angel medical, and probably some hesco special threat plates once my tax returns finally come in

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Cannibal1-1
(id: 301334027325931520)

13 May 2020 20:23

Might as well run a SMERSH instead of that, it's got more mag pouches and a bigger space for an IFAK

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Cannibal1-1
(id: 301334027325931520)

13 May 2020 20:29

I'd stick TQs and Bandages in the Hand Grenade and cleaning kit pouches as well

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

13 May 2020 20:36

make some little spicy russian throwing bottles ๐Ÿ˜›

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

13 May 2020 20:36

jk if you make them self igniting like you should, you don't want them strapped to your kit

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

13 May 2020 20:38

Just keep them in brown paper bags. Cops can't see alcohol if it's wrapped up like that.

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

13 May 2020 20:39

coulda sworn there was an episode of the simpsons when homer put a bottle of liquor in a bag and chief wiggum was like, wait where'd it go?

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EDDSkitz
(id: 470383814544326666)

13 May 2020 20:52

Tax stamp ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

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GRANITE
(id: 701205727355600917)

13 May 2020 22:08

That shit is insane

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GRANITE
(id: 701205727355600917)

13 May 2020 22:08

I canโ€™t even imagine some of the PTSD them veterans must have from those tunnels

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Mountain Man ๐Ÿ”
(id: 259791475104153600)

13 May 2020 22:13

Thatโ€™s crazy

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Frederic Bernal
(id: 338829585720279040)

13 May 2020 23:09

https://twitter.com/freegunzone/status/1260692669036064768?s=20

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INNATRUCK
(id: 239601910527557632)

13 May 2020 23:12

That's cool

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Frederic Bernal
(id: 338829585720279040)

13 May 2020 23:14

https://twitter.com/Ivan_Is_Back/status/1260686840400621568?s=20

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Thecoolnerd98
(id: 571138550209445889)

14 May 2020 02:09

Anybody got reccomendations for a MLOK flashlight with a pressure pad for ak. (Ars apparently wont work preszure pads)

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EDDSkitz
(id: 470383814544326666)

14 May 2020 02:11

Surefire scoutlight series

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

14 May 2020 02:30

Every once in a while I remember this when I see a post. Use the discount code REEE for discounts at PHLster Dark Star Gear HolsterCo LLC. Dark Angel Medical, LLC and Big Tex Outdoors

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

14 May 2020 02:31

I'm looking at getting an ifak and a new holster so I'm definitely using it

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Thecoolnerd98
(id: 571138550209445889)

14 May 2020 02:40

K

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

14 May 2020 02:49

First poor build

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

14 May 2020 02:50

bruh

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

14 May 2020 02:51

What ๐Ÿค”

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

14 May 2020 02:53

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EDDSkitz
(id: 470383814544326666)

14 May 2020 02:53

Lol

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

14 May 2020 02:55

Theyre offset irons ๐Ÿ˜’ came with it, why not

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

14 May 2020 02:55

Offset is fine

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

14 May 2020 02:55

that sight placement though

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

14 May 2020 02:56

I couldn't get it further back lol trust me I tried, ill have to get different offset rails to be able to scoot it back like 2 inches

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

14 May 2020 02:56

It should be the first thing in front of the charging handle, at the very first pic slot

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

14 May 2020 02:58

Brush there's no room, had to attach it to the M-Lok

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

14 May 2020 03:00

It's basically useless there. Either make room, or don't have it at all. Later on when you can afford it, good flip magnifier design leaves enough room for a flip up backup sight, such as the larue flip mount

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EDDSkitz
(id: 470383814544326666)

14 May 2020 03:01

Not all that great on that red dot anyway

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

14 May 2020 03:02

Totally acceptable to not have backups if the magnifier doesn't leave room, but sticking it there anyway just makes you look bad, and shouldn't be relied on when mounted there anyway. Red dot's okayish, I mean they're surprisingly durable if that's what you can afford. Has inrange's stamp of approval at least.

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EDDSkitz
(id: 470383814544326666)

14 May 2020 03:04

Nothing wrong with the dot, just not really made for a magnifier

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[CA] SoyBoi
(id: 338553359843721218)

14 May 2020 03:05

@EDDSkitz works well, lines up and seems to do what its designed to

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Ballsdini
(id: 704892387616620575)

14 May 2020 04:06

Pulled the trigger on my DMR build, all except the barrel. No idea when Faxon is getting their 20" back in stock but I'm not compromising on that

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

14 May 2020 04:06

20" Gunner's Profile?

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Ballsdini
(id: 704892387616620575)

14 May 2020 04:07

"Heavy flame fluted" they call it

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Ballsdini
(id: 704892387616620575)

14 May 2020 04:08

https://faxonfirearms.com/match-series-20-flame-fluted-223-wylde-rifle-length-416r-nitride-5r-nickel-teflon-extension/

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pathenryv2
(id: 479741380281761802)

14 May 2020 04:16

Good for a dmr or for vibe checking steel plates

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Ballsdini
(id: 704892387616620575)

14 May 2020 04:24

@pathenryv2 thats the idea. Also looking to keep ammo interchangeable between it and my carbine. So xm855 for both

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Recon_5.11
(id: 693624900321280071)

14 May 2020 04:31

What's everyone's opinion on B.A.D. Levers? Worth using or no?

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Recon_5.11
(id: 693624900321280071)

14 May 2020 04:32

I don't have experience using them, which is why I ask.

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Cannibal1-1
(id: 301334027325931520)

14 May 2020 06:12

BAD Levers are bad, the idea of using a finger in the trigger guard to drop the bolt on a loaded mag is a ND waiting to happen

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Ballsdini
(id: 704892387616620575)

14 May 2020 06:30

@Cannibal1-1 utter nonsense. It needs to be trained with by people who aren't retarded. But calling bolt releases in trigger guards safety hazards is exactly why fat cops shoot themselves cleaning their glocks and think it's a design fault.

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Ballsdini
(id: 704892387616620575)

14 May 2020 06:32

BAD levers may have actual mechanical problems but that is an operator deficiency

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Cannibal1-1
(id: 301334027325931520)

14 May 2020 06:59

Applying latteral pressure to a small stob inside the trigger guard infront of the trigger is just begging for a ND, especially when factoring in the sudden shift in mass as the bolt goes home

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Cannibal1-1
(id: 301334027325931520)

14 May 2020 07:01

Yes, experience with them can mitigate the risk as with anything but it is generally a good idea to keep none trigger related functions out of and slightly away from the trigger and trigger guard area

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pathenryv2
(id: 479741380281761802)

14 May 2020 09:54

Yeah it makes you faster but I wouldnโ€™t trust it on a duty rifle. Maybe if youโ€™ve trained it exclusively

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

14 May 2020 12:07

They cause extra wear on the bolt catch sear, leading to bolt catch failure, premature bolt drop, and a variety of other mechanical problems. They also actively cause nd's. People say they won't, then they nd in front of me at the range because their feelings can't override natural human clenching reflexes.

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

14 May 2020 12:08

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Recon_5.11
(id: 693624900321280071)

14 May 2020 12:19

I appreciate the information. Thanks guys

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TacticalBeard
(id: 188364925398286336)

14 May 2020 12:19

I know all of this.... yet I still want the CZ Bren 2 with a booth catch release in the trigger guard lol

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

14 May 2020 12:41

Bad levers basically do the opposite. After a while, you no longer have a bolt catch at all.

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EDDSkitz
(id: 470383814544326666)

14 May 2020 12:50

Guys faster than you'll ever be use standard controls... practice is worth more than any novelty crap ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

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Confused
(id: 205492937423978496)

14 May 2020 13:31

If you want to increase the ease of use of your rifle, I suggest the geissele maritime bolt catch. It's much easier to hit without adding bullshit to break off in your fire control group

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TacticalBeard
(id: 188364925398286336)

14 May 2020 14:01

^

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dreadnokboi
(id: 704495162763771975)

14 May 2020 14:10

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dreadnokboi
(id: 704495162763771975)

14 May 2020 14:10

Tactical drug rug hoodie are a thing

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Sparrow
(id: 263533549595000836)

14 May 2020 15:38

Just needed to say, that I hate BAD levers. I'm not worried about dropping a mag or NDing, I just think they're dumb, they get it the way and another thing to get snagged on.

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EDDSkitz
(id: 470383814544326666)

14 May 2020 15:41

Gimmicks

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EDDSkitz
(id: 470383814544326666)

14 May 2020 15:42

Marketed to range operators

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Lucky Texan
(id: 662470209772322816)

14 May 2020 15:53

I've never seen how a BAD lever can cause excessive wear on the BCG or anything else. Training issues though, I can vouch for that one.

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Lord of Pizza
(id: 185012226535587840)

14 May 2020 16:22

Question to my armor lads; looking to get a new vest, and i want something that is comfortable to train in (physically, not just range) Whats everyone running? pros/cons? im about 5'11" 215lbs for reference

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EDDSkitz
(id: 470383814544326666)

14 May 2020 16:22

Minimal style or full coverage?

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Lord of Pizza
(id: 185012226535587840)

14 May 2020 16:23

@EDDSkitz id prefer full coverage.. im honestly thinking about getting another IOTV for cheap just for this purpose

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EDDSkitz
(id: 470383814544326666)

14 May 2020 16:24

I'm partial to crye and first spear stuff... CPC is nice e because of the support structure

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EDDSkitz
(id: 470383814544326666)

14 May 2020 16:24

But sounds like you're not trying to spend on a nice carrier?

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Lord of Pizza
(id: 185012226535587840)

14 May 2020 16:26

Another spot where im torn; when i do get another nice carrier, id rather it only be for training days at the range and stuff, not necessarily the vest im wearing to go on a long run or roll around in the sand with

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EDDSkitz
(id: 470383814544326666)

14 May 2020 16:27

I mean, you wanna train in what you plan on fighting in... a good carrier will take the abuse

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Lord of Pizza
(id: 185012226535587840)

14 May 2020 16:28

@EDDSkitz you mentioned crye, do you run a JPC?

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EDDSkitz
(id: 470383814544326666)

14 May 2020 16:30

Actually I'm due for an upgrade, running an old TAG full coverage carrier. I dont like the JPC. I was looking at the first spear AAC, but they have been out of stock for a few months. Probably because they just got a military contract and are running production for that. I've tried both the AAC and the crye CPC, I like both.

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EDDSkitz
(id: 470383814544326666)

14 May 2020 16:31

The JPC is a minimalist carrier though

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Lord of Pizza
(id: 185012226535587840)

14 May 2020 16:32

im gonna poke at all the Crye gear again now

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Lord of Pizza
(id: 185012226535587840)

14 May 2020 16:33

sooo many places are working with a 2 month lead time for new orders now

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EDDSkitz
(id: 470383814544326666)

14 May 2020 16:34

They are super top notch stuff if you have the cash... the only reason I was looking and waiting on the AAC is the buckles. Would've spent my trump bucks on it, but decided to wait and see if they came back in stock. Replaced my RMA plates with some level IV hoplite plates instead.

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Danvers
(id: 97311895022755840)

14 May 2020 16:42

Thinking of a 10/22 as my first gun when I get state side, not really done much shooting except clays and a 22 would be cheap to learn the fundamentals right?

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EDDSkitz
(id: 470383814544326666)

14 May 2020 17:13

Absolutely

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EDDSkitz
(id: 470383814544326666)

14 May 2020 17:13

Where you coming from?

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