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I like the BCM handguard I bought, wouldn't have gotten a different one in hindsight. Very tight fight but...I like it that way

And LWRC is more expensive

BCM parts are very tight, I hear taking their rifles apart past a field strip is a bitch, lol

But also a pro of buying them.

I've always kinda been told that for a "field" rifle you should at least go BCM. But lwrc seems to always be mentioned next. Trying to sort out competition rifles from actual working rifles on the higher tier stuff basically to figure out what I want for the next toy purchase.

My first attachment? 1000 rounds of ammo

Then onto greener pastures

I've heard good things on LWRC... but every time I hear about working rifles, I hear about BCM. And another rifle I've read good things on, is the Barrett REC7

I've always been curious about the Barrett stuff but I know absolutely no one with any hands on experience with them. Same with KAC and Hodge. Read good stuff but can't find anyone who's ever pulled a trigger

KAC is good stuff, been up and close with then. No idea on Hodge, and I'd like to get a hold of a REC7 because It's like an HK416 that's not 4,000+ hahaha

Haha yeah. I'll throw some money down for quality but $4k is a little much.

Granted, they still MSRP at 2,500. But I'd rather pay that than 4k

You and me both. $2500 is pretty much my absolute limit.

I don't even wanna pay that.. but it is a short-stroke piston-driven AR.

I would prefer to not pay that either, just saying if there was a rifle that did absolutely everything I wanted short of reaching down and giving me a handjob everytime I shot it, then yeah.

Any 308/30-06 rifles yall would suggest for an into rifle for precision shooting?

Depends on your price range and platform

You wanting bolt action, Savage 110 LR is a decent out of the box intronrifle.

I've been researching it lately and it seems there's a few good options. Tikka t3x for 700-1000 usd, I suggest the varmint / tactical barrel Howa 1500 500-1000 usd, don't let the price fool you, it's extremely high quality with sub 0.5moa using quality ammo, and a flat bottom receiver. You can pick up a barreled action for 500 and mount it on a chassis / have it bedded in a stock of your choice for great customization. Ruger precision rifle - great out of the box though a tad heavy and a bit more expensive. Supposedly have a few minor problems but I haven't read enough about them. Remington 700 - poor quality these days but so much parts support you can literally have one built without any Remington parts. More expensive than it's worth. Ruger American - idk anything about it but it exists Mossberg patriot - also exists Barrett fieldcraft - very light, though the barrel heats up quickly. Expensive but barrett quality. Savage has some stuff too, idk much about them.

Some things: Get a heavy barrel, it's worth it for the accuracy as full size rounds heat up fast. Pick moa or mrad and get a good scope, it's probably more important than your rifle. Look for stuff with a maximum magnification of around 12 to 18. You won't use anything past 15 for shooting because the mirage is too much to deal with. You can make thousand yard shots plenty easy with a fixed 10x scope and training. (Though i don't recommend fixed for a fighting or hunting rifle) Once you have your scope and rifle, get a mount that lets you have the scope as close to your rifle as possible without touching it. Don't skimp on the mount, get a good one or your scope is useless.

In fact I'd even say choose your scope first, then your rifle, then your scope mount.

Don't worry about fancy shit like a kestrel, you don't need it. A good instructor will train you how to make calculations and judge wind by eyesight. You can actually see the wind using a spotting scope, it's pretty wild.

Good write up

Savages are really good out of the box

But my only tip is to get more scope than gun

How do y'all feel about the seekins precision SP3R mlok rail?

Definitely this ^ If you hand a scout sniper a shitty rifle with a good scope and mount, they can do a ton, but if you hand them some fancy Sako rifle and a shitty walmart scope and mount, there's not all that much they can do

Haven't looked at it but Seekins is generally synonymous with quality in the precision shooting world

I figured. Grabbed it because the BCM 13" got sold out by the time I ordered it, the seekins was only $10 more and 15"; on a 16" aero QPQ 1/7 barrel.

Only component of my rifle I'm concerned about that I couldn't find any info on is the big daddy unlimited BCG; It's full auto profile but couldn't find any reviews on it. Guess I'll be doing a good bit of measuring before shooting it.

Big Daddy's BCG should be just fine

Typically if a bcg has been magnetic particle inspected and high pressure tested, and has a properly staked gas key (literally the only bcg I've seen without a properly staked gas key was Anderson) then it's good to go. There's a couple other little things like checking the wear on gas rings and such.

Looks like I've become the bad lever guy XD

I really need an LMT enhanced

Question guys. Do they have any reliable plate carriers that actually cover both the stomach and chest area?

All the ones I'm seeing are mainly chest area but I'm concerned because a guy show is a slow but sure death.

No

Learn how to use cover

And don’t worry about covering your whole body in armor

Green tip by the case 1640 rounds. If anyones interested LMK, I'll call and get a price on shipping

Current inventory at distributor is 63 cases available. My cost is 800 plus shipping. LMK

Shipping should run Round 40 bucks

They tried armor that covers the stomach but it's so heavy and cumbersome that it was detrimental. If you didn't die from not being able to move fast enough, heat stroke would get you.

@BigRed1 what's green tip good for Know fragmentation is low so lethality also drops Is it better for shooting through things (not plates because I heard theyre not great for that) and at things (objects)

Light cover, like plywood, drywall, sheet metal, car doors, ect., don't really know why you wouldn't just run high velocity 77gr for barrier penetration though

Yea civilian market has unlimited ammo options

Or 62 Gn barrier blind softpoint

What do yall suggest would be the most applicable ammo to run? 556, 16" barrel

Yep

I just said it

What’s your twist

@[CA] SoyBoi

1:7

Heard heavier rounds are better for mine? I may be mistaken

62

55 is just fine though

1:7 is bettter for stabilizing heavier rounds. However, it will still throw 55 pretty decently. 1:9 is better for light rounds. And 1:8 is the lovely sweet spot that will throw anything.

Yea what he said ^ lol

For sure, I have 55 and 62, so I think I'm solid! Thanks guys

Anyone asking about ammo should reference the AR15 self defense ammunition article

http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/self_defense_ammo_FAQ/

Most asked question in here. This article will answer most questions.

62 will be more accurate than your 55, but it will still shoot both.

Accuracy isn't necessarily determined by weight, but quality and consistency

Yes, but heavier rounds with higher twist stabilize better over distance.

Yeah it'll maintain stabilization due to the extra mass, though the increased fragmentation is really where heavy 5.56 shines

Looks like a grenade goes off in ballistic gel

Plus the ballistic coefficient is better but honestly you're probably not gonna be making shots out to 600 yards unless you're out in the country

Any of yall have experience with an M&P shield? Any good?

I’ve got two. I carry the .40 and my wife carries my 9. I won’t carry anything but an M&P. My AR is an M&P too

Imagine trying to pick all those bits out of a fellow meat sack

@[CA] SoyBoi The M&P Shield 9mm is my EDC

Love it, and can't beat the price point. I have more expensive guns, and the Shield is still my go to EDC

@Sparrow how is it concealed? No issues?

No issues at all for me. Depending on how deep I need to go, I think Sticky Holsters provide the deepest concealment.

Sticky holsters are poorly constructed soft nylon leg ventilators. Never trust one. Better alternatives are phlster, darkstar gear, jm custom kydex, and keepers concealment. M&P shield is a good carry gun. Slim but not unpleasant. Best carried iwb around the 4 oclock position. It's not big enough to be comfortably carried in an appendix holster unless you're wearing lower rise pants.

Though you can still carry it appendix, it just likes to flop a little since the barrel isn't long enough to provide good leverage and force the grip into your stomach.

Gotta reiterate though, ***soft nylon is never acceptable.***

I've been testing out appendix carry with the shield. Kydex holster. It's not bad when I'm up and about, but is extremely uncomfortable if I sit, unless I pull the holster up pretty high, such that it sits on my stomach rather than at the joint.

What do you guys think of ballistic advantage uppers? Looking at their .223 Wylde 1:7 uppers for my AR.

If I remember right, they're a sister company of aero precision

Should probably go for a pistol and good concealed carry holster first. Even if things turn out okay, it'll be useful

Opinions on this

"Why yes officer, I am a drug dealer"

Does anyone have a print file for a 9mm m&p shield holster? My friend bought that piece of...gun and wants to make a holster lol

I don't know that I'd trust a 3d printed holster. Maybe if it's made from some sort of reinforced filament like kevlar reinforced nylon

Maybe the cf reinforced one instead since it's stiffer

Anyone know a MoA ar 15 upper I can buy?

There's tons and tons. Here's one from larue that's surprisingly inexpensive and testing on forums show around 0.5 moa with good 77gr ammo https://www.larue.com/products/larue-ultimate-ar-15-upper-kit/

That's around $800 for almost everything including a larue trigger and bcg, as well as a trigger chassis for testing different triggers without mounting them in a firearm, even comes with a barrel wrench. You pretty much just need a lower.

Actually I've never really looked at this before, and holy shit. 800 for all that from a Gucci tier brand and it's not even on sale

Custom kydex sheath for the Gerber prodigy came in today

Sweet

Nice. I like those Gerbers. My edc knife is a TOPS, and my combat knife is an ESEE

My dad has a mk ii and I've always had a thing for it. Beautiful curves

Unfortunately the modern ones have shit quality

Larue is very good. Focused more on precision than anything. Their triggers are a bit below geissele, though their accuracy and precision of machining is into the competition realm. It's not as crazy as other competition brands, but you also wouldn't want to take a heavy Krieger barrel into battle