Citizens Liberty Organization / 🌎 Global Channels / 🔫the-armory [part 5]

Just don't wash them with detergent because the soap residue impregnated in the fabric also reflects IR

I wouldn't personally go out and buy a full set of cryes because I tend to run in jeans and a shirt, rarely using a uniform. Boots on the other had, you wanna splurge on boots because bad ones will make you miserable

@Confused exactly. It's always a cost equation. You can get indestructible unis, but $800 a set is a lot of practice ammo

Yeah. Sure you can hit up a soldier to use as a proxy to buy patagonia gear, but are you really gonna get your money's worth. Also what's up with those cucks at patagonia not wanting to sell to civilians? lol

I've got under armor jungle boots, paired with moisture wicking socks, they do pretty good

Lol, exactly

They are just skirting VAT taxes

Companies that are against people willingly buying their product are pretty stupid

Chrony capitalism

There's a surprising amount of that in the gun world. Companies that make guns or accessories but are staunchly anti 2a.

"No, I do not have a contract for 2k pieces of equipment, but there must be at least 2k people willing to buy your shit"

Take care, I'm taking the wife and kids to dinner before selfishly abandoning them this weekend!

If a company is staunchly anti 2a I just don't buy from them if I can take it

Have a good one

When people are like "if you like guns so much why don't you just join the military you pussy" and go into shock, frothing at the mouth if I reply: I've got respect for soldiers, but fuck the military. I'm not up for being the government's sword.

It's like they can't imagine those two principles existing in the same person

People don't understand that anymore, it's not about the people on the ground but the system that puts them in those situations

Although I guess that can be said for Vietnam, soldiers coming back after being drafted and people being angry at them for a war they didn't ask to be in

Growing up, I always wanted to join. I really liked the idea, and it took literally getting run over by a truck to knock some sense into me. My dad would always tell me that he had the highest respect for soldiers, but not to join because the people running the show weren't trustworthy.

Yeah it's a major problem

Particularly liked the idea of PJ's. I mean, it's cool as fuck to be able to jump out of a helicopter, save some dude's life, kick some ass, and get out alive.

I'm not condoning aliengear holsters as they're trash and have caused people to ventilate their own legs, but this article by them seems to give a decent rundown of the generations. https://aliengearholsters.com/blog/glock-generations/

I'm curious. Is the law folder worth it or is it just another part to break? Wanted to ask here because I don't trust many people. The serpa has nearly a 5 star review on Amazon after all.

I don't think I'd get one because I'm paranoid that something would go wrong

wanting to get into some more distanced marksmanship, What caliber would you all recommend for 600m+ and what optic?

Optics is a massive topic. As for rounds: 308 is good out to 1000 yards and readily available 6.5 creedmoor is good well past 1k and with a competent marksman, can reach a mile. It's fairly available but not as much as 308. 300 win mag will go well past 1k and is accessible but you'll only shoot it twice before saying fuck this my shoulder hurts.

Honestly doubt I would need more than a hundred rounds on standby.

A decent brake helps

For optics, you'll want something quality, possibly more expensive than your rifle. You won't use a thing higher than around 15 power, even shooting at a mile, because the mirage will fuck you up if you zoom in that close. Vortex, Leopold, Nightforce, schmidt and bender, and kahles are all pretty good, vortex being the only budget option out of the bunch. If you're on a tight budget, probably the vortex diamondback tactical

Also assuming that zeroing something like that in would take forever

You can zero a precision rifle in 3-4 shots if you know what you're doing

Most people struggle with 300m shots especially if untrained or poorly trained. I would assume 600m would give me some cushion.

1. Find out where your caliber will hit at 25 yards with a 100 yard zero 2. Bore sight it at 25 yards and fire one round 3. Shoot one round at 100 yards 4. Hold your rifle still with sandbags or whatever and adjust your scope to center over where your last round hit

Then shoot another to confirm your zero and adjust as necessary

what range could one typically get with a 7.62 Nato?

The maximum effective range is typically seen as 1000 yards. You can push it a little further but that's around when it goes through the transsonic barrier

Once it goes from supersonic to subsonic, it becomes much less stable because it hits its own shockwave

ahhh

But I would be able to hit that 300-600m range still? curious if thatd be worth doing. Just having a zoom zoom put on it and using iron sights if anything were to get to close.

although I figured lower caliber would make it less useful

Oh definitely. It's capable of reaching out to 1k but as probably the most common hunting round, hunters will typically shoot stuff under 100 yards

It's very available too, being able to use 7.62 NATO

At 300-600, it'll do a hell of a lot more damage than 556

@Tagout1221 my advice is to get a 12-18” fighting rifle (like a solgw, Sionics, bcm) and a decent LPVO, like a 1-6 razor, 1-8 Trijicon, etc. Run 77gr match ammo, and you’ll have a 600m gun all day that’s still a fighting rifle.

Long range guns are pretty specialized. People who run them professionally often times will have them packed away in a bag, and carry their carbine until they're in place.

You don’t want your primary to be a 20+lb precision gun with a 5-25. What you seem to be looking for is the recce rifle concept

http://shop.bravocompanymfg.com/BCM-RECCE-18-MCMR-Precision-Rifle-AR15-p/bcm-rifle-862-750.htm

Throw something like a trijicon or nf 1-6 / 1-8 on top and you've got one hell of a rifle

Don’t skimp on your optic if you want a recce

If you can't have less than a 2 cm spread out to 900 yds with irons, you're not a true marksman...

havent tried it yet I'm probably not going to be able to do that at first lol

Cheapest optics I'd say are okay to get are from Primary Arms

Yes but not their cheapest

Whatever the step up is

For a recce I'd say try their 1-8 Raptor with the ACSS, GarandThumb did a video on it

For EDC I'd say minum of 60 rounds for a pistol. That's my bare minimum when I'm doing armed security. Other guys will only carry one spare magazine I will carry at least 3 spares

For a rifle as a dmr I'd carry at least 160+ rounds depending upon what calibre and the intended job. For a standard semi auto rifle I'd carry bare minimum 8+ mags

I don't carry much for regular edc. My m&p shield with 7+1, or if I'm somewhere I don't want to be, my vp9 and an extra mag. All concealed carry and loaded with federal hst

Not bad. I just prefer have the extra ammo just incase. Once the lead starts flying you'd be surprised how quickly you can shoot through ammo especially when shitting your pants lol

My first line of defense is avoiding confrontation. No one gets too close to me, and if someone's acting aggressively, I've got pepper spray in my hand, shaking it right there in front of them. It doesn't need to be shaken, but I've yet to come across someone who wants to get any closer to me when they see it.

Yep the best self defence is using your mind and your words to avoid or to de escalate a situation

Working security I do a lot of de escalation lol

I haven't encountered one yet, but if they see it, bring their arms up and roll out of the way, that's when I get ready to pull my gun because I know they've been hooked up with it before

at least that's what I was told by a guy who worked with violent criminals

to watch out for the ones who duck and roll

I’m a fan of 2 extra mags for my handgun if I can help it

I usually roll with my 3913 and two mags

But I’m also in a tiny Wi town, probably never need it

Yeah in Canada I can open carry my antique revolver in the bush so I'd carry around 36 rounds in my pistol belt

Modern pistols require an ATC an authorize to carry which is open to the public but rarely granted its mainly for armed security personnel

I think there is maybe 300 civilians in Canada who have an ATC and are not security personnel or police etc

I have an ATC but only for work outside of work it's not valid

Which is gay or love to be able to carry when I go to shitholes like Toronto

Yeah, I appreciate being able to carry at least around here without jumping through stupid hoops

Just placed an order for a Hodge 12.5" barrel, 15% off for memorial day

Yep cuckanada is pretty lame for self defence

Canadian gubbament would probably freak with my edc knife being an auto

Lmao yeah no spring assist knives allowed. In Canada you actually cant carry anything with the purpose of self defence if you carry a knife you have to tell the police officer it's a work knife or something like that same with pepper spray you can only carry bear and dog mace for defence against wildlife and that can be subject to interpretation lol a good lawyer will tell you to keep a bat and a glove and a ball in your car so you have a reason to be driving with one if you use it in a self defence situation. Same thing applies in your home and at all times force can only be met with equal force and you are to retreat into your home until you a cornered and then you might be able to use lethal force but be prepared for a lengthy court process and possible bankruptcy unless you plea bargain and accept a lesser charge to get out of manslaughter or murder lol

Yeah, so tactically styled knifes are a huge no no for you

I mean shit, when I was into airsoft even your laws on that sucked

Just spring assisted knives and butterfly knives shit like that is a no no. My EDC knife is an AK47 bayonet

Iys a good knife to begin with and has a built in wire cutter when paired with the sheath

Or I carry a Canadian Tire cheapo fixed blade with a 5 inch or so blade

When it comes to weapons and things that are weapon shaped our government has stupid laws and regulations

Handling a violent criminal is one thing, most of them are pussies when by themselves. Mob mentality though... Having worked in both a county jail and a state prison, oc spray is hardly a deterrent when you walk into the dormitories. Never let someone get behind you. I’ve seen jailers get their asses beat numerous times. Best thing to do is de-escalate. But NEVER, EVER show fear. We had them clean their dormitories, I made sure they did the floors to the point they were smooth as a baby’s ass for the sole reason it would be easier to trip or dip them. Good times, but the pay is shit. Definitely taught me a lot about their behaviors. To me that’s become a take-home skill. You’d be surprised how often it comes in handy when dealing with people in security. Also a great thing to have if you’re planning on going into security. Another letterhead stepping stone/competitive bargaining chip if you can pitch it right.

Out of all the shit I’ve been sprayed with, defense solutions was the worst. Followed by fox, and then freeze +p. Not gonna brag, but that 2% fox stuff isn’t bad once you have some idea what it feels like. Don’t get me wrong, it makes taking someone to the ground harder, but to me it brought out additional strength. I guess through desperation/panic, but I felt it was precise given the circumstances. Also another tolerance to take home considering they’ve got those big ass OC foggers now.

By all means put the heavenly fist of high speed jailer jesus down on their heads

Obviously there’s some times where your hands are tied and you gotta enforce jail policy and rules at which point you take every jailer in there with OC spray and you’re basically done. The aftermath is the shitty part because then they hate you, are gonna be pulling shit, and it usually ends about a month or two later. That’s jail. Prison is a totally uncontrollable animal. Outside of shake downs and breaking up fights, they can pretty much do whatever the fuck they want. There’s ways to enforce policy rather than having a shouting match though. Female dorm refuses to wear their shirts for some reason, drop the temp to 46 for a few hours. Won’t stop running around the pods at 3 am, keeping the other inmates trying to sleep awake? Black that place out and turn off the night lights. Taking a shower when they’re not supposed to (rape liability)? Turn the water off and let them walk around for a few hours covered in suds. Most of them are just drug addicts. Even the biggest assholes in jail usually get over the fact they got caught and warm up to you. Besides, most of them are revocation dudes who do 90 days and get out. Fuck the sex offenders and gangbangers though

I’ve met some ex inmates on the outside. Totally different people than they are when they’re incarcerated.

I toured a prison once growing up, it was pretty interesting. The lower security areas were sorta like dormitories, a circular room surrounded by a couple levels of doors, some tables in the middle, and a circular desk with a single guard near the center. They said they only kept one guy in there to minimize risk, and the prisoners knew they could overwhelm the block if anything happened. The high security area was way dinguer. Gray concrete, single person cells, a shower room where they'd be hosed down for 30 seconds by a guard through the bars, and a little plexiglas box they'd let a few of them wander around for a few minutes.

The illegal immigrants got the best treatment. They had a nice little area with wooden doors and locks that the prisoners could operate. They claimed they wanted to leave a good impression so they'd come back legally, but it was just a revolving door of the same people who were back in a month after being deported.

That sounds fucking awful lmao. Was the desk walled in with reinforced glass or something? The jail I worked at was more of an open barracks. Even the sex offender dormitory was open, but had individual cells they were supposed to be in 10pm to 6am. The prison had the same but gang members and sex offenders had their own cells and a dorm area they had 2 one hour times in a day with multiple inmates going out around the same time. New people in the control tower were why crazy shit went down, cause at first you don’t know who’s got beef with each other.

And I can definitely see that with illegals

Sometimes I wish I was still there to spread the good word lol

Guaranteed half of the COs would turn on me and set me up for uncomfortable situations or take their sweet time coming for backup

We occasionally had high security people. FBI would come in and out and pull them to a CID room. Usually murderers. Then after sentencing they’d get put in isolation for a bit and then release to general population. When FBI did come in, a lot of the cameras would go dark so as to protect their identities. Were usually escorted to and fro by state police or a jail admin. Looking at some you’d never expect them to be feds lol.

Gonna continue this in the proper channel as it has nothing to do with weapons or gear. Sorry

Well that was interesting. I placed an order with forward control designs at like 9pm and they had it shipped at 3am from california. I didn't know california had post offices open that late, 1am their time

Weird, maybe sticker was delayed?

idk. The shipping email was from stamps . com. I'm just surprised any retail business is up that late in cali