Citizens Liberty Organization / 🌎 Global Channels / 🔫the-armory [part 6]

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Oh definitely

Probably gonna be another couple months

gonna be another half year or so before mine

so for 308 upper for hunting, do i want a mid length or rifle length gas system

Rifle length if you can. It'll smooth out the recoil a bit

do you mean 80% lower?

never seen anyone spray paint inside

I would just leave it raw or get it cerakoted if ever

they sell 80% lowers

that are anodized already

Anodizing is a very involved process. Yes, but they you have to mill it out. Cerakote is the simplest answer

Cerakote will look really clean after also

Should mention SOTAR said cerakote inside a rifle causes nothing but problems because it wears off and gunks stuff up, as well as messes with tolerances

Keep in mind, cerakote is an additive process

Aluminum always has a thin layer of aluminum oxide on it, which is much tougher. If I'm correct, anodizing turns a thicker layer of the aluminum into aluminum oxide. Cerakote adds a coat on top instead of converting the existing material. I could be totally wrong but my first thought is that leaving the interior raw should be fine as 7075 aluminum is much harder than copper

Unless you are worried about aesthetics you should be fine with raw

Hey guys

Cerakote on the outside is fine though. Looks good and protects it a bit

OOS :thinkRoll:

Ahh crap

What’s up

He posted a link for cheap rma plates but they are OOS

backorder

I was really surprised. Any armor being in stock is crazy right now

Think im going to wait till the new Hesco 600s come out

the level iv ones

or maybe just got with the III+

Unless yall got any good Multi curve Level IV recommendations because I know almost nothing about armor

!armor

```fix Hey there, it looks like you're asking about armor. Here's some quick tips. Soft armor stops most handgun rounds and is good for concealing. If you're shot, you'll have a massive bruise for a month or longer. Steel armor is heavy, will send spall into your neck, and doesn't protect against fast moving rounds like m193, m855a1, and 22-250. You can get ceramic for about the same cost as steel at its lower end, so there's no point in even buying steel. Ceramic armor comes in a few sizes. SAPI and swimmer/shooter cut are what you're looking for. The latter makes it easier to move your arms. The more protection, the heavier. The lighter it is for its rating class, the more expensive. Lightweight LVL iv plates cost a ton. Multi curve is more comfortable than single curve, and flat should be avoided outright. The more curves, the more $ though. If you don't like reading or dealing with lots of choices: Hesco if you have money Hoplite if you're poor but want something that will still protect you Here's a thread listing off armor of various types in ranking of how good they are, based on protection provided compared to weight, and quality of manufacturing. ``` https://www.reddit.com/r/QualityTacticalGear/comments/cmkton/armor_purchasing_guide/

Well there

thanks

I bought Tactical Scorpion Gear because it had super low lead time, videos showing it being shot seemed solid enough but its def budget

So I bought an M18 to use as my main sidearm.

Depending on the round yes or no on first hit. After one or two hits, yes it will spall. You can get ceramic armor as inexpensive as ar500 which will stop 55gr 5.56, which ar500 doesn't (they say it does but it doesn't)

There's no reason to get heavy steel plates that don't even protect against m193 and m855a1

> So I bought an M18 to use as my main sidearm. @Tactifool inb4 “d0nT dR0p iT”

They fixed that lol

Some people just can't let go of it though

Yes that’s why it was spongebob text

> I put a Larue 2 stage in my first rifle @Gaabriel the Larue trigger for the price is sick

If you want a good yet inexpensive trigger, I'd suggest ALG. They're geissele's wife's company and make budget minded but serviceable products for people who can't afford geissele

What’s the best option for home defense?

Oh god

@Confused is there a bot prompt for that

Serviceable ar15

Alg for ar 15s suck

For an ak its fine

in 5.56, maybe 300blk but it might overpenetrate

The only time I'd suggest a shotgun is if you're living in a state that isn't free and have restrictions on your magazine. They're more difficult to control and your wife and kids likely won't have a fun time shooting it

Best home defence is an ar15 in standard nato cal

also there's this

```fix I see you're asking which ammo in X caliber is best for self defense again. Reference this article with data by DocGKR, an actual fucking doctor. ``` http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/self_defense_ammo_FAQ/

I may make some purchases, but what would be a good way to home-made some until I can buy a few sets? Also, are roit shields obtainable, or should I make my own?

Riot shields and ballistic shields are attainable

> I may make some purchases, but what would be a good way to home-made some until I can buy a few sets? > > Also, are riot shields obtainable, or should I make my own? @Talamae

Okay. I'm guessing they run a few hundred? Probably should look into a ballistic shield.

Ballistic shields will be in the high hundreds to mid thousands. They are also very heavy and usually are only handgun rated

Well that's too rich for my blood, and doesn't work like I'd prefer. I need to find gear to stop 5.56.

Unless you have tips for home-made.

Rifle rated shields are going to be both expensive and seriously heavy

Figured. Damn

Homemade riot shields are very possible. Homemade ballistic shields notttt so much. Theoretically it’s possible

By theoretically it’s possible I mean like, very theoretically if you happened to by an engineer and understand the physics and specific materials of body armor, and have the hands on experience to build it, plus the tools.

Boy shut yo ass up

Fire TWO BLASTS

Holsters... OWB or IWB? Application? Anybody have good recommendations on: - a ballistic helmet, gas mask, boots.

You gotta budget and purpose @[AZ] Tantrum

What are some other materials with ballistics resistance that Ace or Lowes might have? (Not expecting perfect performance, just enough to keep me alive for more than one fight.)

Are AR15’s okay in NJ?

That's fair. At the very least I will get my hands on soft-tactical gear. Once I get back in shape I can be pretty fucking agile. 15 years of collective martial arts experience and military training saw to that.

I have a helmet by Denmark Protection group. Ear pro doesn’t fit well in the ear cutouts. Prefer something lighter. Don’t really have a budget, but could use funds elsewhere. No gas mask currently. Have 5.11 boots, fuck my arches up hiking on a ruck, looking for more comfort. I all things I want light weight.

Underarmor valsetz are great, however they don’t give as much ankle support as leather boots. They’re extremely lightweight though, they weight about the same as a pair sneakers. Blauer also has some decent lightweight boots, they use a BOA lacing system though so if it fucks up you have to send it in.

Thank you everyone for the replies.

Howdy I want some more unbiased eyes on this please

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Looks similar to the AK builder book, and I've convinced myself it's good, so I'm just double checking with additional eyes on.Thanks m8

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Typically you want a quality iwb for carry. Concealed means concealed. If you need an owb holster, you probably know exactly why you need one. Typically only for work or competition, or if your state only allows open carry.

Soft nylon 🤮 ☠️ Hybrid holster 🤢 Serpa 💀 Leather - okay if it's high quality and you have an external safety Cheap kydex 🙁 You want good quality kydex with a secure attachment. Personally I prefer aiwb with soft loops. A few good brands are jm custom kydex, phlster, and darkstar gear. Typically you can tell if a kydex holster is quality because they'll be around $80+ and shitty ones will hover around $40

I have seen people ventilate their legs with soft nylon, aliengear, and serpa. I've also seen people drop their pistol with soft nylon.

*mfw nutnfancy pulls an uncle fuckers holster and loaded glock out of his jacket pocket*

you ever heard of those tulster holsters?

if so what do you think of those

https://tulster.com/#

Question about Trauma pads. I'm looking at shellback lvl 4 plates and carrier. Are trauma pads like a universal thing that can be used in conjunction with any plate carrier and plates? Would they be worth having in conjunction with lvl 4 plates?

no they need to be the same size as the plate

so like 8.5x10 with the same size

cut should not matter

If you're getting sapi plates, it should be easy enough to match. Medium to medium and so on. Check the maximum plate thickness that your plate carrier supports. Many support up to an inch, so depending on the plate it may not fit

As for tulster, it looks like another cheap kydex brand. The belt clip doesn't look that great quality wise and they sell aiwb holsters without wing claws.

ok thanks 👌

im going to look at the jm customs

i mean its a floating holster but it does look cheap

Jm is very good quality but they tend to have a pretty long wait time. The phlster floodlight is typically ready to ship on order though

Though it needs a light to work

I think darkstar gear's holsters are also ready to ship. Jm does mostly custom order